Montblanc do it again

[willy]

I think this brand are making some of the best value for money Swiss watches.This is very good value indeed in my opinion.
http://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-montblanc-8

[TopClocks]

Jeg har en anden holdning, selv om Montblanc er begyndt at spille med musklerne efterhånden.

Deres high-end complications ure er helt uden tvivl betagende, men jeg er ikke begejstret for deres seneste kreationer inden for den prisvenlige kategori, heriblandt Orbis Terrarum og Annual Calendar Chronograph.

Brugen af værker fra Sellita (http://en.chronos24.pl/hands-on-review-m...-terrarum/) og andre producenter sender et blandet signal, idet man på den ene side tilbyder komplikationer i den dyrere ende af skalaen, mens man på den anden side tilbyder et uinteressant værk - set med kritiske øjne. Dog er de på en måde bundet til at gøre det, hvis de skal holde prisen lav og føre en fornuftig forretning samtidigt, ellers er man nødt til at finde en Heures du Monde fra VC (http://www.my-watchsite.com/traditionnel...monde.html).

[willy]

(07-01-2016, 02:22 PM)TopClocks Skrev: Jeg har en anden holdning, selv om Montblanc er begyndt at spille med musklerne efterhånden.  

Deres high-end complications ure er helt uden tvivl betagende, men jeg er ikke begejstret for deres seneste kreationer inden for den prisvenlige kategori, heriblandt Orbis Terrarum og Annual Calendar Chronograph.

Brugen af værker fra Sellita (http://en.chronos24.pl/hands-on-review-m...-terrarum/) og andre producenter sender et blandet signal, idet man på den ene side tilbyder komplikationer i den dyrere ende af skalaen, mens man på den anden side tilbyder et uinteressant værk - set med kritiske øjne. Dog er de på en måde bundet til at gøre det, hvis de skal holde prisen lav og føre en fornuftig forretning samtidigt, ellers er man nødt til at finde en Heures du Monde fra VC (http://www.my-watchsite.com/traditionnel...monde.html).

Compairing a VC with a MB is not really serious,in my opinion.MB are a relative new brand,trying to break into the market.And judging by the reviews they are getting,it seems to be going well.Not many brands who aspire to join the high end sector,make watches in the cheaper segment.I think MB are doing this well.And who are they supposed to be sending a signal to? Only a complete watch snob could look down their nose,at a brand that try to make watches for every type of watch buyer.
And as any watchmaker could tell you,there is nothing wrong with calibers from Sellita.MB are offering the watch in my link for a very reasonable price in my opinion.

[Krüger]

Getting good reviews does not mean that a brand is selling well. Just means that they are producing some ambitious watches, which they are. The brand will however in my opinion be stigmatized for years to come, as being primarily a company producing luxury pens. People can dispute that, but I have yet to see a MB in the wild and to me that says a lot.
And for the prices they are commanding for some of their high-end watches, I personally believe most of the collectors with that kind of scratch, will go for something more “safe” and well known.

[bjorn_e58]

Jeg har det lidt med Mont Blanc som med Maurice Lacroix. De er nogenlunde lige store, har ure i nogenlunde samme prisklasser, og ser ud til at have nogenlunde samme ambitionsniveau. Det store "men" for mig er, om det virkelig kommer til at rykke? Vil det blive et ur fra et af de to mærker, man burde købe i dag, lægge i boksen, og lade vores børn indbringe er formue for om 20 eller 30 år? Jeg tror, det enten bliver stort, eller det bliver bare en del af den store masse; men jeg hælder nok til det sidste. Og hvis mit barnebarn så finder denne tråd frem om 30 år og siger "Bare du havde købt en MB, bedstefar", så må jeg svare "thja, det skulle jeg have gjort, men du kan arve et af mine Rolex'er".

/Bjørn.

[TopClocks]

(07-01-2016, 03:56 PM)willy Skrev: Compairing a VC with a MB is not really serious,in my opinion.MB are a relative new brand,trying to break into the market.And judging by the reviews they are getting,it seems to be going well.Not many brands who aspire to join the high end sector,make watches in the cheaper segment.I think MB are doing this well.And who are they supposed to be sending a signal to? Only a complete watch snob could look down their nose,at a brand that try to make watches for every type of watch buyer.
And as any watchmaker could tell you,there is nothing wrong with calibers from Sellita.MB are offering the watch in my link for a very reasonable price in my opinion.

Prøv lige at bruge to minutter på at læse min kommentar ordentligt, Willy.  Jeg har udtrykt forståelse for det forhold, at man er nødt til at spare på nogle punkter for at levere på andre. Heures du Monde er et fint, men dyrt alternativ til dem som dyrker finish på højt niveau. Hvis man ikke tillægger finish betydning eller større betydning, er Orbis Terrarum et godt og prisvenligt alternativ.

[willy]

(07-01-2016, 04:43 PM)TopClocks Skrev:

(07-01-2016, 03:56 PM)willy Skrev: Compairing a VC with a MB is not really serious,in my opinion.MB are a relative new brand,trying to break into the market.And judging by the reviews they are getting,it seems to be going well.Not many brands who aspire to join the high end sector,make watches in the cheaper segment.I think MB are doing this well.And who are they supposed to be sending a signal to? Only a complete watch snob could look down their nose,at a brand that try to make watches for every type of watch buyer.
And as any watchmaker could tell you,there is nothing wrong with calibers from Sellita.MB are offering the watch in my link for a very reasonable price in my opinion.

Prøv lige at bruge to minutter på at læse min kommentar ordentligt, Willy.  Jeg har udtrykt forståelse for det forhold, at man er nødt til at spare på nogle punkter for at levere på andre. Heures du Monde er et fint, men dyrt alternativ til dem som dyrker finish på højt niveau. Hvis man ikke tillægger finish betydning eller større betydning, er Orbis Terrarum et godt og prisvenligt alternativ.

I can assure you that i read your comments.MB are new in this game,and to write them off at this stage would be foolish.At this time i consider them not to be near the level of other  high end brands.But under the present leadership only a fool would write them off,of ever achieving this.But we must also bear in mind that other brands who today are top high end brands,started out by using calibers from other brands.MB have come a long way in a short time.They have yet to reach the level of say VC-Patek-AP-Lange etc etc.I find better value in their lower price models,and i can agree that their top models are a bit overpriced.One thing you should think about,is this.MB are not completly dependant on their watch sales,and they have the economic muscle to take the long haul into the high end market.And that is why they headhunted their present director,and i am sure you know who that is
PS.I would suggest you read this,because i know how much you like links. http://www.atimelyperspective.com/blog/2...endar.html or this
http://www.atimelyperspective.com/blog/2...ional.html

[willy]

(07-01-2016, 04:11 PM)Krüger Skrev: Getting good reviews does not mean that a brand is selling well. Just means that they are producing some ambitious watches, which they are. The brand will however in my opinion be stigmatized for years to come, as being primarily a company producing luxury pens. People can dispute that, but I have yet to see a MB in the wild and to me that says a lot.
And for the prices they are commanding for some of their high-end watches, I personally believe most of the collectors with that kind of scratch, will go for something more “safe” and well known.

I do not believe anyone will stigmatize Montblanc,after all Lamborghini used to build tractors .Because you have not seen one in the wild,does not mean much.You are right about some so called collectors not buying them.I prefere not to call them real collectors,i prefere the word Sheep. MB have a good reputation,and they are taking their step into the watch market very seriously.I do not know if they will succeed,but it is a bit early to start to write them off.

[TopClocks]

(07-01-2016, 06:07 PM)willy Skrev: I can assure you that i read your comments. MB are new in this game, and to write them off at this stage would be foolish. At this time i consider them not to be near the level of other  high end brands. But under the present leadership only a fool would write them off,of ever achieving this. But we must also bear in mind that other brands who today are top high end brands, started out by using calibers from other brands. MB have come a long way in a short time.They have yet to reach the level of say VC-Patek-AP-Lange etc etc. I find better value in their lower price models, and i can agree that their top models are a bit overpriced.One thing you should think about, is this. MB are not completly dependant on their watch sales, and they have the economic muscle to take the long haul into the high end market. And that is why they headhunted their present director, and i am sure you know who that is

PS. I would suggest you read this,because i know how much you like links.  http://www.atimelyperspective.com/blog/2...endar.html   or this  
   http://www.atimelyperspective.com/blog/2...ional.html

Jeg har ikke afskrevet Montblanc, Willy. Dog er jeg ikke fan af deres ''prisvenlige'' komplikations-ure. Det skyldes bl.a. det forhold, at flere af dem bruger Selitta SW300, hvilket er et pålideligt værk. Det er desuden nemt at udføre service på deres ure med komplikationer, idet man i flere tilfælde kan skifte modulet ud med et nyt af slagsen. Servicepris bør derfor ikke ligge i den højere ende af skalaen.

Dog knækker filmen for mit vedkommende, når man sælger high-end komplikationer, heriblandt evighedskalender og årskalender med kronograf-funktion, uden en dertilhørende finish. Hvis budgettet blev udvidet med ca. 6.000 euro (http://timetransformed.com/2014/09/13/to...hes-2014/), er jeg overbevist om at man får mere valuta for pengene i et Senator Calendrier Perpétuel fra Glashütte Original, jf.http://www.glashuette-original.com/colle...libre/100/ og http://www.my-watchsite.com/senator/3858-senator-calendrier-perpetuel.html. 6.000 euro er selvfølgelig mange penge! Det hersker der ingen tvivl om, men når man alligevel står til at indgå et katolsk ægteskab, idet hverken Montblanc eller GO er nemme at omsætte generelt, havde jeg klart valgt at ofre mere for en pænere hustru. Finish i førstnævnte (Montblanc QP) er simpelthen for uinteressant, hvorimod sidstnævnte (GO QP) tilbyder et mere sofistikeret værk med en langt mere beundringsværdig finish, jf. https://monochrome-watches.com/hands-mon...sel-33354.  

Jeg falder derfor ikke på halen over disse ''prisvenlige'' komplikations-ure fra Montblanc, idet jeg savner et proportionalt forhold ml. komplikation og finish. Dog kan man heller ikke forvente andet inden for den priskategori. Jeg ville derfor ikke pege fingre af en entusiast som har købt et Montblanc QP, idet jeg godt kan forstå ønsket om at eje en high-end komplikation.

Har disse ''prisvenlige'' komplikations-ure en fremtid, spørger du? Ja, det vil jeg ikke udelukke, men de kommer ikke foreløbigt til at udgøre en trussel, og det er efter min opfattelse heller ikke deres formål. Montblanc kommer formentligt til at ''fange'' den gruppe af forbrugere, som ønsker high-end komplikationer til ''fornuftige'' penge. Dog er jeg enig med Krueger om at deres image som producent af kvalitets fyldepenne ikke nødvendigvis er en fordel. Bemærk venligt, at jeg tager afsæt i Montblanc's QP, fordi et af dine links berører deres ''troublemaker'' (det er faktisk dets kælenavn).

[willy]

(07-01-2016, 10:53 PM)TopClocks Skrev:

(07-01-2016, 06:07 PM)willy Skrev: I can assure you that i read your comments. MB are new in this game, and to write them off at this stage would be foolish. At this time i consider them not to be near the level of other  high end brands. But under the present leadership only a fool would write them off,of ever achieving this. But we must also bear in mind that other brands who today are top high end brands, started out by using calibers from other brands. MB have come a long way in a short time.They have yet to reach the level of say VC-Patek-AP-Lange etc etc. I find better value in their lower price models, and i can agree that their top models are a bit overpriced.One thing you should think about, is this. MB are not completly dependant on their watch sales, and they have the economic muscle to take the long haul into the high end market. And that is why they headhunted their present director, and i am sure you know who that is

PS. I would suggest you read this,because i know how much you like links.  http://www.atimelyperspective.com/blog/2...endar.html   or this  
   http://www.atimelyperspective.com/blog/2...ional.html

Jeg har ikke afskrevet Montblanc, Willy. Dog er jeg ikke fan af deres ''prisvenlige'' komplikations-ure. Det skyldes bl.a. det forhold, at flere af dem bruger Selitta SW300, hvilket er et pålideligt værk. Det er desuden nemt at udføre service på deres ure med komplikationer, idet man i flere tilfælde kan skifte modulet ud med et nyt af slagsen. Servicepris bør derfor ikke ligge i den højere ende af skalaen.

Dog knækker filmen for mit vedkommende, når man sælger high-end komplikationer, heriblandt evighedskalender og årskalender med kronograf-funktion, uden en dertilhørende finish. Hvis budgettet blev udvidet med ca. 6.000 euro (http://timetransformed.com/2014/09/13/to...hes-2014/), er jeg overbevist om at man får mere valuta for pengene i et Senator Calendrier Perpétuel fra Glashütte Original, jf.http://www.glashuette-original.com/colle...libre/100/ og http://www.glashuette-original.com/colle...ibre/100/. 6.000 euro er selvfølgelig mange penge! Det hersker der ingen tvivl om, men når man alligevel står til at indgå et katolsk ægteskab, idet hverken Montblanc eller GO er nemme at omsætte generelt, havde jeg klart valgt at ofre mere for en pænere hustru. Finish i førstnævnte (Montblanc QP) er simpelthen for uinteressant, hvorimod sidstnævnte (GO QP) tilbyder et mere sofistikeret værk med en langt mere beundringsværdig finish, jf. https://monochrome-watches.com/hands-mon...sel-33354.  

Jeg falder derfor ikke på halen over disse ''prisvenlige'' komplikations-ure fra Montblanc, idet jeg savner et proportionalt forhold ml. komplikation og finish. Dog kan man heller ikke forvente andet inden for den priskategori. Jeg ville derfor ikke pege fingre af en entusiast som har købt et Montblanc QP, idet jeg godt kan forstå ønsket om at eje en high-end komplikation.

Har disse ''prisvenlige'' komplikations-ure en fremtid, spørger du? Ja, det vil jeg ikke udelukke, men de kommer ikke foreløbigt til at udgøre en trussel, og det er efter min opfattelse heller ikke deres formål. Montblanc kommer formentligt til at ''fange'' den gruppe af forbrugere, som ønsker high-end komplikationer til ''fornuftige'' penge. Dog er jeg enig med Krueger om at deres image som producent af kvalitets fyldepenne ikke nødvendigvis er en fordel. Bemærk venligt, at jeg tager afsæt i Montblanc's QP, fordi et af dine links berører deres ''troublemaker'' (det er faktisk dets kælenavn).

I can agree with almost everything you write here.But in my opinion the question about their finish is something that they will improve in the future.I see them as no threat to the top high end brands at this time.But they are in watch terms,a relatively new brand.They have the name,and the money.I personaly would not buy their top models at this time,but i would buy one of their lower priced watches.And i would also pick a Glashutte at this time.It is not easy to break into the high end market,and MB still have a lot to learn.But i still think they are on the right track,and will eventually become a top brand.