Den japanske ur industri

[Bjørn H._phpbb3_import15705]

med Schweitzer-fabrikkernes priser i betragtning tror jeg det vil være billigere at la' Philippe Dufour efterproducere "udgåede" stumper til f.eks. en gammel
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[Stensbjerg]

Super
Minder om den jeg har til mit.

[Stensbjerg]

Læser man hele det stykke,står der heller ikke "at alt lys er slukket"
Når de 10 år er gået.

Det kommer vist an på hvilke briller,
Man vælger at læse med.

Og som Bjørn er inde på
Hvad koster det "flotte" service som feks. Omega Tilbyder....

[FUPPE]

Du skal være mere end almindelig uheldig hvis lyset slukkes efter 10 år , absolut enig.
Det var nu heller ikke billedet jeg forsøgte at fremmane.

Hvad jeg forsøger at sige er at tilgængeligheden på reservedele er væsentlig ringere end det er tilfældet for mærker som Omega og Rolex. Men problemet vil formentlig først opstå flere årtier fra købet. Det har i hvert fald været tilfældet for alle de eksempler jeg har haft kendskab til hvor Seiko i Japan har returneret uret med denne begrundelse.
Men de har efter min ringe vurdering været bekymrende mange , den lave omsætning af Grand Seiko taget i betragning.

Her er teksten i sin helhed så kan folk jo selv danne sig et indtryk.

Citat:SEIKO makes it policy to usually keep a stock of spare parts
for Grand Seiko watches for 10 years. In principle, your
watch can be reconditioned within this period if used normally.
(Replacement parts are those which are essential to
maintaining the functional integrity of the watch.)
The number of years that a watch is considered repairable
may vary greatly depending on the conditions under which it
was used, and normal accuracy may not be achieved in
some cases. We recommend, therefore, that you consult the
retailer from whom the watch was purchased when having
them repair your watch.
The case, dial, hands, glass and bracelet, or parts may be
replaced with substitutes if the originals are not available.
For any other information, contact the retailer from whom
your watch was purchased or the "CUSTOMER SERVICE
DEPARTMENT" of SEIKO WATCH CORPORATION.

[willy]

I have read countless stories about restoring older Seiko models . And i have read countless stories about restoring Swiss watches . The level of problems in getting spare parts does not seem to be the big problem with run of the mill watches . Special watches can be a problem no matter where they come from . Remember the internet is responsible for giving new life to many watches that could have ended their life as a piece of scrap metal . As a little after thought i have to name Rolex as the only mass producer that can equal the Japanese in producing watches of quality with the lowest number of factory faults . I really think the Japanese have been a good thing for the Swiss watch industry . First they gave them a wake up call , with the Quartz revolution . And now they are teaching them how to give great levels of quality all across the line . The Swiss in return have provoked the Japanese into competing in the watchmaking skills department .

I think they can learn many things from one another . And in the future we will see watches with parts made in several countrys and assembled in one . This already exists , and it will get bigger . High end manufactures that are 100 % in house do not exist , this is just branding bullshit . What you pay for in a High end watch time and date , is the finish . The rest of the watch is nothing special at all .Hand finishing and complications is what made the great High end brands we know today . But we now know that most of these brands use machines and not their hands to do the same work today . When Phillipe Dufour polishes a watch part for hours with a piece of wood , he is just keeping the old traditions alive . So just compare the time used and the price for one of his Simplicity models , and you will get some idea of the rubbish that many High end brands tell us about hand finishing . They would need about 1000% more people working at Patek if they used the old methods Today its all about machines and chemical polishing , with maybe a 5 minute wood polish for the benifit of Journalists and watch nerds . So in the machine department , my money is on Japan <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

[willy]

Just read this , and it sums it up for me .
But the differences run deeper than that. There is a key philosophical divergence in Seiko’s approach to watchmaking versus its European peers. There is a focus, no, obsession, with perfect functioning and as a consequence all the processes that affect that are rigorously designed, like the clean room assembly for instance.