Ur-værker og deres kvaliteter, hvad ved jeg om det

[P.N.]

(23-01-2022, 08:53 PM)willy Skrev: The caliber in a watch is a part of what makes watches so interesting.I personally like
the handwork and tradition built into a great caliber.No one can dispute that a workhorse
caliber that sits in over 90 % of all watches can be just as reliable as say a caliber that
sits in say a Lange or other high end brands.I do not like everything to be machine finished,
i like a little bit of soul ,and art built into the watches i wear.And to be honest i hate to
wear anything that millions of others wear if i can avoid it.But i must admit some of the greatest
watches ever made ,like the Speedy or the Sub have machine made workhorse calibers
inside them.
                       But if i had the choice between a machine made caliber,or a hand finished
caliber,i would pick the hand finished everytime.

Hej Willy 
Det er længe siden.
Jeg kunne have lyst til et drille-spørgsmål. Hvor mange værker kan der produceres før de bliver ligegyldige og kan finish laves efterfølgende af den lokale urmager ?. 

[willy]

Hi Per,Good to hear from you again.Thats a tricky question.There are good
watchmakers like you,and there are bad watchmakers who could destroy
the finish on a high end watch.I have never believed that the polishing
or finish on a caliber has got much to do with how it functions.But i know
that many good watchmakers would not agree on this point.
                   I think that a reasonable finish,with no loose bits of metal
shavings in the caliber should be enough to make it function for a long
time.But has you know watchmaking is not just about the finish on a
caliber,it is in my opinion more important that the caliber works without
a lot of service cost,and time keeping problems.
                   i do not believe that any watchmaker without the proper
training could emulate the finish on say a Lange or many other high
end watches.Lets face it the guys who polish these watches do nothing
else everyday.And they are bloody good at it
And lets face it many so called high end brands like Patek use chemical 
polishing today on there bread and butter watches.I would go so far as
to say that only Lange and a few independent brands use the old methods
of hand finishing on every part of the caliber.But Joe Public believe the
rubbish many so called high end brands tell them about hand made calibers.
I think that most mechanical wristwatches today have not got much to do with
the old art of watchmaking.They have become a product of design and
computers without the personal touch.
PS.I would still pick a well finished caliber over an ordinary finished caliber
if they both functioned in the same way.I just like the personal touch.

[P.N.]

(24-01-2022, 05:50 PM)Avantismo Skrev: Jeg har det underligt med urværker.

På den ene side er jeg meget fasineret af ure med synligt værk og flot finish.

På den anden side skal det bare virke.

Om urværket er fra ETA eller ej betyder ikke det store for mig.

Jeg synes mit Omega seamaster værk er pisseflot.

Men nogle vil sige at det slet ikke lavet med samme finish som et Lange.

Det er meget forskelligt hvad der menes med finish ! I min verden har den finish man kan se på overfladen af værket ingen betydning for urets kvalitet. Den polering der betyder noget for urets levetid og gangnøjagtighed kan dårligt konstateres før værket er adskilt.

[Stensbjerg]

På den anden side kan man vel formode
At hvis værket sidder i et anerkendt mærke og har flot finish på den man kan se udefra, så er der nok en som min. Tilsvarende Pæn finish på den del som man ikke kan se.

Sådan har jeg det ihvertfald med mit Dornbluth

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