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Selv Inflicted Injurys - willy - 04-06-2012
Are many watch brands hurting themselves by trying to create a monopoly of servicing their watches and making it difficult for independent watchmakers to get spare parts . I think the answer is yes . They are forgetting that it was independent watch makers and collectors that through watch sites like Time Zone , and Auction Houses like Antiquorum made their watches reputations . Today they have taken over many watch sites and stopped criticism of their watches . And of course the next step is to wipe out any competition in after sales service . The car industry have tried the same trick , it just does not work . And these watch brands have one really big problem . They can never meet the sevice needs of the watches they sell . There are just not enough watchmakers in this world . So in the future we could be waiting 6 months to get our Omega or Brietling etc etc back from the factory , Just like a Patek or AP etc etc today . Or we will see a whole new industry making unoriginal parts for all brands . Rolex are one of the few brands that have a dealer service network world wide . Omega have maybe the financial clout to do the same as Rolex in the future . But smaller brands just cannot do this . And i think that brands that have built their reputations on the backs of small watch makers , who have kept their old watches ticking should feel a little ashamed . What do you think ? Willy
Re: Selv Inflicted Injurys - hannover_dk - 04-06-2012
First of all - I totally agree that the the service time of many of the expensive watch brands are totally insane.
With regard to the price of the service, I imagine - but am no as sure - that they largely overcharge.
I would as "user" hope that spareparts was available to all, but I will give the big brands, that:
They do not want someone who are not qualified, to give a watch a full service. Do not think that any watchmaker, can service anything as well as maybe the proffs sitting with the great brands.
To some extend it has to do with tools - and they are not inexpensive. If you want to be able to give full service to an Omega CoAxial, and AP, a GP or even a more simple thing (though many parts involved) a Zenith elPrimero - you will often need special tools and often even special oils (can be managed but still)
I do not think this is like - black or white. There are pros and contras, and I do NOT think is will reduce the sales for those brands in question.
I strongly feel that it would be wrong for e.g. Omega not to allow individual watchmakers/repairman to get acces to spareparts as they may exist from the periode before 1990 or whatever. That is not justified by wanting to ensure the repair process, but only to stop smaller watch shops from doing a service - but for the most expensive brands, it can make sense
By the way - why is this being such a new topic - It has been like that for years with Rolex- You can make "work-arounds" but they have reserved spareparts and service to themselves generally - and it has worked for them, has it not. They have not lost market, but added to the feeling of an exclusive watch
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Re: Selv Inflicted Injurys - willy - 04-06-2012
hannover_dk Skrev:First of all - I totally agree that the the service time of many of the expensive watch brands are totally insane.Just a little point John . I know you mean well by writing i English in your reply , and i thank you for that . But i read Danish as well as i do English , so there is no need for you to do that unless you are practising your english
With regard to the price of the service, I imagine - but am no as sure - that they largely overcharge.
I would as "user" hope that spareparts was available to all, but I will give the big brands, that:
They do not want someone who are not qualified, to give a watch a full service. Do not think that any watchmaker, can service anything as well as maybe the proffs sitting with the great brands.
To some extend it has to do with tools - and they are not inexpensive. If you want to be able to give full service to an Omega CoAxial, and AP, a GP or even a more simple thing (though many parts involved) a Zenith elPrimero - you will often need special tools and often even special oils (can be managed but still)
I do not think this is like - black or white. There are pros and contras, and I do NOT think is will reduce the sales for those brands in question.
I strongly feel that it would be wrong for e.g. Omega not to allow individual watchmakers/repairman to get acces to spareparts as they may exist from the periode before 1990 or whatever. That is not justified by wanting to ensure the repair process, but only to stop smaller watch shops from doing a service - but for the most expensive brands, it can make sense
By the way - why is this being such a new topic - It has been like that for years with Rolex- You can make "work-arounds" but they have reserved spareparts and service to themselves generally - and it has worked for them, has it not. They have not lost market, but added to the feeling of an exclusive watch
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. The reason as you know for me to write in english is that i can express myself better . Dam it i am off topic , sorry <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> Willy
Re: Selv Inflicted Injurys - hannover_dk - 04-06-2012
willy Skrev:Just a little point John . I know you mean well by writing i English in your reply , and i thank you for that . But i read Danish as well as i do English , so there is no need for you to do that unless you are practising your englishOgså jeg
fino du - det bliver dansk, som jeg da også har lettere ved trods alt - og nu tilbage til "på emne" - eh - "inden for emne" - nå så on-topic da <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
Re: Selv Inflicted Injurys - olof - 05-06-2012
Jeg ved ikke, om de kommer til at tage skade. Jeg koeber naemlig kun og udelukkende vintage, og dem tjener de ikke skid paa.
Re: Selv Inflicted Injurys - willy - 06-06-2012
olof Skrev:Jeg ved ikke, om de kommer til at tage skade. Jeg koeber naemlig kun og udelukkende vintage, og dem tjener de ikke skid paa.<!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> Willy
Re: Selv Inflicted Injurys - Peter - 08-06-2012
Hej Willy
Du har åbenbart ikke opdaget at du befinder dig i Danmark, og i Danmark skriver vi på dansk især når man taler sproget, så drop alt det der med at du bedre udtrykker dig på engelsk for det passer ikke.
Peter
Re: Selv Inflicted Injurys - Kristofferj - 08-06-2012
Hvor små sko har man lige lov til at gå i! Hvis han bedst udtrykker sig på sit modersmål, kan du vel være fløjtende ligeglad?
Tag en slapper og lad Rodney skrive på det sprog han selv vil. Du forstår det åbenbart fint nok til at kommentere det i ny og næ.
Re: Selv Inflicted Injurys - khbk - 08-06-2012
Har vintageure snuppet idéen med en børnegrotte øh, jeg mener bjørnerotte øh, jeg mener ...
øh, jeg mener god weekend til alle - eller "good weekend for all" - til dem, som behersker indtil flere af verdensdialekterne!
Og tilbage til topic: Lad være med at skære for meget i jer selv! (tunger måske undtaget).
Re: Selv Inflicted Injurys - willy - 08-06-2012
peter Skrev:Hej WillyHitler did not live in vain <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> Willy
Du har åbenbart ikke opdaget at du befinder dig i Danmark, og i Danmark skriver vi på dansk især når man taler sproget, så drop alt det der med at du bedre udtrykker dig på engelsk for det passer ikke.
Peter