22-06-2004, 01:26 PM
På hovedforumet var der en del opfattelser af de historiske tilstande og egentlige fakta vedr. Anonimo, der efter sigende opstod på asken efter Pre-V fabrikken. Endvidere ser man en del sælgere af Anonimo, promovere dette som "det egentlige Panerai", da det er produceret af de "rigtige" ansatte fra før Cartier overtog Officine Panerai.
Jeg tillader mig ydmygt at citere Dirk Grandy om historien bag de to urfabrikanter. Jeg mener ikke at de to kan sammenlignes. Indrømmet, at jeg er til Panerai, men at Anonimo også er flotte og godt håndværk, skal der ingen tvivl herske om. Når alt kommer til alt; smag og behag
Anonimo er iøvrigt også at finde i Special Edition rouletten med serier ned til relativt få enheder...
Citat, Dirk Grandy på Paneristi:
Looking at that Anonimo post below, I felt the need to explain a couple of things...
Since Giuseppe Panerai died in 1972, Officine Panerai SpA (which was the merger of Panerai Meccanica Srl and Panerai Elettronica Srl, both previously born out of the Guido Panerai & Figlio company) had NOTHING to do with the production of watches.
This is a bold statement, but I will explain.
They were an engineering company that supplied various 'solutions' and specialized instruments to (mainly) the Italian Navy and (with less success) to other naval forces in the world. Some spin-offs of these technologies, like helicopter landing systems, were also sold to civil clients (hospitals, forest departments, offshore oil drilling companies, etc.)
Easy to understand if you know where the management team came from.
Ing. Dino Zei was previously a Commander and Engineer with the Marina Militare, whereby his verious positions frequently covered the Teseo Tesei group of commandos and combat divers. Ing. Franco Zavataro was previously a Fregat Captain and Commander of the Gruppo Incursori. Ing. Bruno Latini was previously owner and Director of the acoustic laboratory 'Centro Progettazioni Elettroniche of Cinesello Balsamo' (which Panerai acquired in 1990).
Prior to 1972, Guido Panerai & Figlio could hardly be called a watch producing company either. Their output, from the late 1930's to the 1960s, was less than 300 watches, produced by Rolex and converted into Marina Militare-compliant 'instruments' by Panerai.
Due to increasing demand by some Italian collectors at the end of the 1980s, and due to the affinity of both Dino Zei & Franco Zavattaro with the combat diver units, it was believed that a replica-series of the Panerai watches could be a good thing for Panerai. This idea was also positively received by the Italian Navy. Panerai's Chief Designer, Alessandro Bettarini (who posts here sometimes as 'Pico') developed the blueprints for the 44mm Luminor and the almost forgotten Mare Nostrum Chronograph (stop watches were a must in the early 1990s). The production of the cases and assembly of the watches was fully outsourced. The 5218-201/A and 5218-301/A to a Florentine company, both the 5218-202/A and 5218-203/A to a Swiss company. I'm not 100% sure if Panerai ordered the dials, crystals and movements themselves or that they were part of the outsourcing deal. Fact is that the full assembly was done by the outsourcing companies. Straps, buckles and boxes were ordered by Panerai and it was Mario Paci that fitted them during the AQU (quality assurance) work. The picture you've probably seen of Mario Paci at his desk IS Panerai's watch department (there wasn't anything more, except for some space in the warehouse).
The conversion of 200x 5218-201/A into SlyTech 5218-201/A, 5218-205/A and 5218-207/A and the conversion of 100x 5218-301/A into SlyTech 5218-302 and 5218-304 were quite simple jobs that were outsourced to a couple of smaller Italian companies.
When Cartier bought the Officine Panerai brand name in spring 1997, they bought the name, the designs and the remaining stock of all wrist intruments: watches, compasses, depth meters.
The Panerai company remained 'as is' at their premises at Cascine del Riccio, in the community of Impruneta (FI). As they had sold the 'Officine Panerai' brand name, they just renamed the company as 'Panerai Sistemi SpA'.
As their financial difficulties weren't over with Cartier's Lires, the company sold out to Calzoni of Bologna in 1999, upon which Dino Zei retired.
Panerai Sistemi remained at their Impruneta premises as a semi-independent Calzoni division till fall 2003, when everything finally moved to Bologna.
Anonimo acquired the Florentine company that produced both the 899 Logos and 1000 Mare Nostrums in 1993. Don't believe the story that Anonimo saved the Panerai workers from unemployment when Cartier moved the watch production to Switzerland. If this story is true, those workers had probably all died after nearly 5 years of starvation...
What is true is that Mr. Massachesi was responsible for an honorable initiative to keep the tradition of Florentine watchmaking alive, thereby employing some people and companies that were involved with the 'Replica Panerais' of 1993-1994. I happen to know Panerai's former strap supplier rather well. Anonimo helped him paying for the patent on the Kodiak seawater-proofing process and he's now supplying the Anonimo straps.
If you want to read more, may I invite you to go and check the websites of both Panerai Sistemi and Calzoni (a Kohl Morgen company).
[url]"http://www.paneraisistemi.com/">http://www.paneraisistemi.com/[/url]
[url]"http://www.calzonispa.com">http://www.calzonispa.com[/url]
[url]"http://www.calzonispa.com/NAV/prodotti/products.htm">http://www.calzonispa.com/NAV/prodotti/products.htm[/url]
Jeg tillader mig ydmygt at citere Dirk Grandy om historien bag de to urfabrikanter. Jeg mener ikke at de to kan sammenlignes. Indrømmet, at jeg er til Panerai, men at Anonimo også er flotte og godt håndværk, skal der ingen tvivl herske om. Når alt kommer til alt; smag og behag
Anonimo er iøvrigt også at finde i Special Edition rouletten med serier ned til relativt få enheder...
Citat, Dirk Grandy på Paneristi:
Looking at that Anonimo post below, I felt the need to explain a couple of things...
Since Giuseppe Panerai died in 1972, Officine Panerai SpA (which was the merger of Panerai Meccanica Srl and Panerai Elettronica Srl, both previously born out of the Guido Panerai & Figlio company) had NOTHING to do with the production of watches.
This is a bold statement, but I will explain.
They were an engineering company that supplied various 'solutions' and specialized instruments to (mainly) the Italian Navy and (with less success) to other naval forces in the world. Some spin-offs of these technologies, like helicopter landing systems, were also sold to civil clients (hospitals, forest departments, offshore oil drilling companies, etc.)
Easy to understand if you know where the management team came from.
Ing. Dino Zei was previously a Commander and Engineer with the Marina Militare, whereby his verious positions frequently covered the Teseo Tesei group of commandos and combat divers. Ing. Franco Zavataro was previously a Fregat Captain and Commander of the Gruppo Incursori. Ing. Bruno Latini was previously owner and Director of the acoustic laboratory 'Centro Progettazioni Elettroniche of Cinesello Balsamo' (which Panerai acquired in 1990).
Prior to 1972, Guido Panerai & Figlio could hardly be called a watch producing company either. Their output, from the late 1930's to the 1960s, was less than 300 watches, produced by Rolex and converted into Marina Militare-compliant 'instruments' by Panerai.
Due to increasing demand by some Italian collectors at the end of the 1980s, and due to the affinity of both Dino Zei & Franco Zavattaro with the combat diver units, it was believed that a replica-series of the Panerai watches could be a good thing for Panerai. This idea was also positively received by the Italian Navy. Panerai's Chief Designer, Alessandro Bettarini (who posts here sometimes as 'Pico') developed the blueprints for the 44mm Luminor and the almost forgotten Mare Nostrum Chronograph (stop watches were a must in the early 1990s). The production of the cases and assembly of the watches was fully outsourced. The 5218-201/A and 5218-301/A to a Florentine company, both the 5218-202/A and 5218-203/A to a Swiss company. I'm not 100% sure if Panerai ordered the dials, crystals and movements themselves or that they were part of the outsourcing deal. Fact is that the full assembly was done by the outsourcing companies. Straps, buckles and boxes were ordered by Panerai and it was Mario Paci that fitted them during the AQU (quality assurance) work. The picture you've probably seen of Mario Paci at his desk IS Panerai's watch department (there wasn't anything more, except for some space in the warehouse).
The conversion of 200x 5218-201/A into SlyTech 5218-201/A, 5218-205/A and 5218-207/A and the conversion of 100x 5218-301/A into SlyTech 5218-302 and 5218-304 were quite simple jobs that were outsourced to a couple of smaller Italian companies.
When Cartier bought the Officine Panerai brand name in spring 1997, they bought the name, the designs and the remaining stock of all wrist intruments: watches, compasses, depth meters.
The Panerai company remained 'as is' at their premises at Cascine del Riccio, in the community of Impruneta (FI). As they had sold the 'Officine Panerai' brand name, they just renamed the company as 'Panerai Sistemi SpA'.
As their financial difficulties weren't over with Cartier's Lires, the company sold out to Calzoni of Bologna in 1999, upon which Dino Zei retired.
Panerai Sistemi remained at their Impruneta premises as a semi-independent Calzoni division till fall 2003, when everything finally moved to Bologna.
Anonimo acquired the Florentine company that produced both the 899 Logos and 1000 Mare Nostrums in 1993. Don't believe the story that Anonimo saved the Panerai workers from unemployment when Cartier moved the watch production to Switzerland. If this story is true, those workers had probably all died after nearly 5 years of starvation...
What is true is that Mr. Massachesi was responsible for an honorable initiative to keep the tradition of Florentine watchmaking alive, thereby employing some people and companies that were involved with the 'Replica Panerais' of 1993-1994. I happen to know Panerai's former strap supplier rather well. Anonimo helped him paying for the patent on the Kodiak seawater-proofing process and he's now supplying the Anonimo straps.
If you want to read more, may I invite you to go and check the websites of both Panerai Sistemi and Calzoni (a Kohl Morgen company).
[url]"http://www.paneraisistemi.com/">http://www.paneraisistemi.com/[/url]
[url]"http://www.calzonispa.com">http://www.calzonispa.com[/url]
[url]"http://www.calzonispa.com/NAV/prodotti/products.htm">http://www.calzonispa.com/NAV/prodotti/products.htm[/url]
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