The market is the truth

[willy]

We have a lot of fun on various watch sites compairing watches and giving our opinions about watches.But no matter what we believe or what we like there is a true measure of any watch ever made.And that measurement is how valuable a watch gets as it gets older.This is decieded by how much dealers and collectors think a watch is worth.
If you look at the prices of a brands watches over say a period of 20 years it will give you a good idea of the brands that are worth collecting as an investment.Look at say the price of any vintage Rolex and compair to any Omega and you will see what i mean.Not that i mean Omega make bad watches but Rolex in the eyes of collecters are just better.Dealers and collectors mostly collect quality before anything else.
So its great we all have different opinions on watches but there is a truth out there like it or not. Willy

[mak]

Here is one more way to see it.... supply and demand. Rolex have been great at creating a demand thru branding.... that would not necessarily say anything about the quality.... I think there is a lot of watch companys who deliver the same quality as rolex or better, they just dont have the same brand value.?

[Kristofferj]

Nu bliver der jo købt ure af mange andre grunde end kun kvalitet.
Mange køber ure pga. historie, udseende, brandværdi, statussymbol, osv. osv.
Så at sige at rolex er bedre end omega, fordi de er blevet en statussymbol, og er det ur folk køber hvis de har lidt penge til overs, er i mine øjne at skyde over mål.

Citat: ...but there is a truth out there like it or not...

Ikke enig, verden kan ikke see sort go hvid, "truth is in the eye of the beholder".
dvs. at de parametre du vurdere om noget er godt eller dårligt kan være meget forskellige fra andres.

[willy]

mak Skrev:Here is one more way to see it.... supply and demand. Rolex have been great at creating a demand thru branding.... that would not necessarily say anything about the quality.... I think there is a lot of watch companys who deliver the same quality as rolex or better, they just dont have the same brand value.?

You have a good point there ,and of course brand value has got a lot to do with it.But vintage Rolex do have inhouse calibers compaired to standard ETA in Omega and this means a lot.It is just hard to find any brand with a ETA caliber that is a collector piece.Unless of course it is a heavliy modified ETA say from IWC amongst others.Patek-VC-AP did not need a lot of branding they had Quality inside and out.And in my honest opinion there are brands maybe who can equal Rolex in the same price class but none are better. willy

[willy]

Kristofferj Skrev:Nu bliver der jo købt ure af mange andre grunde end kun kvalitet.
Mange køber ure pga. historie, udseende, brandværdi, statussymbol, osv. osv.
Så at sige at rolex er bedre end omega, fordi de er blevet en statussymbol, og er det ur folk køber hvis de har lidt penge til overs, er i mine øjne at skyde over mål.

Citat: ...but there is a truth out there like it or not...

Ikke enig, verden kan ikke see sort go hvid, "truth is in the eye of the beholder".
dvs. at de parametre du vurdere om noget er godt eller dårligt kan være meget forskellige fra andres.

Yes but in the eyes of most of this worlds watch experts Rolex make better watches than Omega.And it as got nothing to do with status.But of course you are right everyone has the right to their opinion.And in my opinion Omega make fine watches but in my book they are not as well made as Rolex or IWC. Omega have used standard ETA calibers throughout nearly all their history.So half of their watches were made by another firm.IWC have built some of the greatest watch complications in the world and their watchmaking know how is far more advanced than Rolex or Omega.I just think sometimes watch people should use more time on researching the history of brands.It is not a pissing contest where my brand is better than your brand etc etc.All brands make good and bad watches and the market is what judges them all in the end. Willy

[jk]

Jeg er helt enig med "mak": Enestående dygtig branding har fået en stor del af verdens befolkning til at tro, at Rolex er verdens fineste ur. Den branding kan naturligvis ikke opnås uden et vist kvalitetsniveau :-)

Resten er udbud og efterspørgsel. Uanset om teksten på skiven er rød eller hvid er kvaliteten af en 1680 Sub nok den samme?

JK

[Amehlbye]

Supply and demand in Price setting does not apply to luxury goods

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[willy]

jk Skrev:Jeg er helt enig med "mak": Enestående dygtig branding har fået en stor del af verdens befolkning til at tro, at Rolex er verdens fineste ur. Den branding kan naturligvis ikke opnås uden et vist kvalitetsniveau :-)

Resten er udbud og efterspørgsel. Uanset om teksten på skiven er rød eller hvid er kvaliteten af en 1680 Sub nok den samme?

JK

Absolutly right most people do think Rolex is the best you can buy.And Rolex like Patek have been buying their own watches at auctions and manipulating the watch market.But at the same time both brands make watches that are quality benchmarks in the watch world.So branding is just a part of why collectors love them <!-- s:up: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_Up.gif" alt=":up:" title="Thumps up" /><!-- s:up: --> Willy

[jk]

Jeg uddyber lige, Anders: Min bemærkning om udbud og efterspørgsel var møntet på brugt/samler-markedet. Det kunne man vist ikke gætte :-)

JK

[Amehlbye]

jk Skrev:Jeg uddyber lige, Anders: Min bemærkning om udbud og efterspørgsel var møntet på brugt/samler-markedet. Det kunne man vist ikke gætte :-)

JK

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