Debate on what it takes to make a high end watch.

[jacobzimmer]

Rettelse: Pagani og AMG har et samarbejde om de motorer! Det er ikke bare en standard AMG motor fra en normal C63 der bliver smidt i :D


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[KimT]

(07-11-2015, 07:37 PM)baun Skrev: Jeg har ikke fundet ud af hvordan man citerer herinde :-(

Du klikker på knappen mærket "1" i det indlæg du vil citerer i stedet for knappen mærket "2" som er den man normalt bruger til at lave et nyt indlæg.




Skulle man ydermere ønske at få flere indlæg med som citater i et svar klikker man på knappen "Citer" i de indlæg man vil have med og ved tryk på den knap vil man se at det grønne plus ændrer sig til et rødt minus. Når dette er gjort klikker man på knappen markeret "2" i billedet herover hvorefter alle de valgte indlæg kommer med som citater. Dette er en helt ny funktion, som er ret smart når man ønsker flere citater med i et svar

[Avantismo]

(07-11-2015, 07:56 PM)jacobzimmer Skrev: Rettelse: Pagani og AMG har et samarbejde om de motorer! Det er ikke bare en standard AMG motor fra en normal C63 der bliver smidt i :D

Ha ha. Det er en AMG motor, som de udelukkende bygger til Pagani.  Det gør det ikke til en "inhouse" PU 

Sorry for off topic..

[baun]

(07-11-2015, 07:56 PM)KimT Skrev:

(07-11-2015, 07:37 PM)baun Skrev: Jeg har ikke fundet ud af hvordan man citerer herinde :-(

Du klikker på knappen mærket "1" i det indlæg du vil citerer i stedet for knappen mærket "2" som er den man normalt bruger til at lave et nyt indlæg.

Jo, jeg trykkede jo på citer. Men der er logik og logik. Tak Kim.

[willy]

(07-11-2015, 07:52 PM)Avantismo Skrev: Ingen tvivl om at der finishforskel på et IWC og PP.

Det skal der fanme også være, når prisen er så forskellig.

Jeg kender flere,der ville falde døde om af grin, over at man indenfor vores lille verden, ikke opfatter et ur til 50 K for high end.

Men sådan er det bare 

En sjov kobling til bilverden kunne være Pagani.

Ingen indenfor bilverden villle nogensinde påstå, at Pagani ikke er noget af det allermest gennemførte og yberste indenfor bilbranchen.

Men de køber sgu bare deres motor ude i byen. AMG laver den til dem. 

Pagani is the ultimate,The attention to detail is just stunning.And the engine is picked for reliability and handwork.

[willy]

(07-11-2015, 05:09 PM)baun Skrev: Mht til finish på Rolex contra Seiko GS kan man jo så selv checke på billederne Mads har lagt ind. Jeg har ikke talt om Credor.

Pictures on the net do not tell the true story Per.One persons opinion in Denmark including my own,means nothing compaired to international opinion based on some of the greatest watch experts.We all get our information in the same place today.I am not a watchmaker,and Mads is not a watchmaker.I have always tried to put my faith in people who judge watches without bias,and with the right background.We can argue until the cows come home,about finish and what is High End.And this is what makes watches a fascinating subject.For myself,i try to read and learn from watchmakers when ever i can.People like Phillipe Dufour have more weight in my world than any selv appointed expert.James Dowling has written the bibel on Rolex,and is maybe the most respected writer on Rolex in the world.I respect and admire people who fight for their opinions.But i have never read anything on the net that even puts a Rolex caliber close to a Grand Seiko in terms of finish.Maybe i am missing some thing,i do not know.
                               And one last point worth remembering.Many complication watches are notorious for not working as they are supposed to.I read many years ago that IWC produced the most reliable complication calibers.This is also about watchmaking,high or low end.I think it is important to read and listen to the real experts.And i must admit i do not even begin to get close to them,and this is the truth about any of us in the country called Denmark.Opinions are one thing,expertise is another.It is all really down to who you believe

[Stensbjerg]

Man må tror på dem man vil, 
man får bare ikke mig til at sammenligne det hånd arbejde der går ind i et GS ur,
Med den forarbejdning Rolex kan nå på det store antal ure de laver om året.

Her er lidt mere om hvad GS er for en størrelse.

http://www.ablogtowatch.com/love-grand-s...-explains/

Var forarbejdning og håndværk tungen på vægtskålen,
Ja så var jeg ikke i tvivl hvis valget stod mellem any Rolex og et GS.

Det er fair nok at spørger efter linkes der belyser hvorfor jeg har de holdninger jeg har,
Men læse og forstå dem for andre gør jeg ikke.

Slut herfra.

[willy]

A few years ago i went to a well known Patek service center in Copenhagen.I owned a PP Aquanaut that needed a service.I spent about 15 minutes talking to a watchmaker who had serviced Patek watches for many many years.At this time i was thinking about buying a Lange watch.So without beating about the bush,i asked him what he thought about the quality of a Lange compaired to a Patek.He told me something that i absolutly did not know anything about.And to be honest,i have never read or heard about.He told me that Lange finish their watches using traditional handwork,and that Patek use something called Chemical polishing.I asked him to explain the difference.He said that in his experience the Chemical polishing did not last as long as the traditional method.He could service most Patek watches,but a Lange was a different story.Curiosity killed the cat,as they say.So i asked a few other service centers in the UK,just to see if this was a general opnion or not.The message i got back was about the same that he had told me.But to be honest,i have absolutly not much idea about how you can polish a watch in this way.I can however remember the time i worked in a factory that Chromed the Rolls Royce Emblems that sit on the bonnet of this car.This was a chemical process.It just makes me wonder how many watch brands use this method today.And tell us a load of bullshit about hand finished.Does this not make you think?

[willy]

Calling IWC high end is going a bit to far,in my opinion.I read years ago that IWC have changed their policy regarding finish.This was in their own magazine,so straight from the horses mouth,as they say.They stated that in the future IWC would concentrate more on basic quality of their calibers,and they scrapped many finishing traditions.This was to get more into line with Rolex.That for me is one more nail in the coffin,for anyone who thinks the finish on a Rolex can be compaired to a Seiko GS.Like Mads wrote Rolex have a quality criteria that is nothing short of fantastic.But finish has never been exceptional.And we must never forget that the Japanese have their own traditions of watch making.And i personaly think it is very difficult to compair watches built from the Swiss Alps to those built in the land of the setting sun.

[jk]

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