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[hannover_dk]

willy Skrev:There you go again mr hannova.You have to understand that people have different meanings.There is nothing evil or bad about that.It is not an attack against anyone.You keep analysing everytime some one writes something you disagree with.I just accept it and think OK.no bad feelings.Everyone has the right to express what they mean.Do not try to tell people what they mean ,that is their right.I mean exactly what i write it may not be correct it might even be biased but it is my truth and that is it.Have a Merry Fucking Xmas anyway. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> Willy

a lot of things wrong here:

1 I do understand people have different meanings - that was not the question here (I do disagree with some forms of expressing it)
2 I did not even disagree as such here at all - that IWC is a great watch

What I did disagree with is that you, and a few others, so often when you talk about about one watch - has to mention 3 other watches which are then no good. That to me is not being against some opinion. I just find it wrong to do so.

I love reviews where people goes in depth with a number of brands - but that is not what you do.,

Besides it is as so often apples and bananas.

You could not conclude as some then does, that YES IWC is so great - and Breitling, Tag Heuer are no way near - and then someone buys an IWC Aquatimer feeling is is so many lightyears from Omega with CoAxial or the inhouse 8500 - or new inhouse Breitling or the new (Seiko based) Tag Heuer "inhouse" -

It is fair that YOU think IWC is amongst the 4 best in the world, I did not argue on that - but why do you have to beat 3 other brands in the head - to get your message about IWC through?

Fine that you think IWC is amongst the four best - That then for you puts IWC in front of at least two of the following: Patek, AP, JLC, V&C or Lange - just to mention a few of the other great brands - may be right , may not - but your opinion is absolutely OK to have.

best regards

[willy]

hannover_dk Skrev:

willy Skrev:There you go again mr hannova.You have to understand that people have different meanings.There is nothing evil or bad about that.It is not an attack against anyone.You keep analysing everytime some one writes something you disagree with.I just accept it and think OK.no bad feelings.Everyone has the right to express what they mean.Do not try to tell people what they mean ,that is their right.I mean exactly what i write it may not be correct it might even be biased but it is my truth and that is it.Have a Merry Fucking Xmas anyway. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> Willy

a lot of things wrong here:

1 I do understand people have different meanings - that was not the question here (I do disagree with some forms of expressing it)
2 I did not even disagree as such here at all - that IWC is a great watch

What I did disagree with is that you, and a few others, so often when you talk about about one watch - has to mention 3 other watches which are then no good. That to me is not being against some opinion. I just find it wrong to do so.

I love reviews where people goes in depth with a number of brands - but that is not what you do.,

Besides it is as so often apples and bananas.

You could not conclude as some then does, that YES IWC is so great - and Breitling, Tag Heuer are no way near - and then someone buys an IWC Aquatimer feeling is is so many lightyears from Omega with CoAxial or the inhouse 8500 - or new inhouse Breitling or the new (Seiko based) Tag Heuer "inhouse" -

It is fair that YOU think IWC is amongst the 4 best in the world, I did not argue on that - but why do you have to beat 3 other brands in the head - to get your message about IWC through?

Fine that you think IWC is amongst the four best - That then for you puts IWC in front of at least two of the following: Patek, AP, JLC, V&C or Lange - just to mention a few of the other great brands - may be right , may not - but your opinion is absolutely OK to have.

best regards

Citat:

Come on a lot of people on this blogg only like their own brands and are totaly blind to other brands.Of course when some one starts to compair brands like omega with IWC i will give my opinion about that.That is half of the fun of having a watch blogg.And if you have not noticed what i say on this blogg is nothing compaired to what critics say on other bloggs world wide.These people can make or break a watch.Compairing watches is what this blogg is about is it not? Of course we have to compair brands.Omega have made some great watches but to compair them with a brand like IWC who make complications that omega have never even come close to is in my mind ridiculous.And as for Lang they do not yet have the history or achievments of IWC.As i have said before all brands make shit watches now and again.You cannot look at any brand and say that everything they do is great.I think many brands are living in the past and need to wake up and i include IWC and Omega in that group.Nothing in this world is black or white.But you seem to be saying do not say anything bad about other brands in case you hurt their feelings.Are we in a kindergarden here or a grown up blogg? Willy

[hannover_dk]

willy Skrev:Compairing watches is what this blogg is about is it not? Of course we have to compair brands..But you seem to be saying do not say anything bad about other brands in case you hurt their feelings.Are we in a kindergarden here or a grown up blogg? Willy

You probably have the answer. I do (as I wrote) not mind comparing brands, if there is some substance and background. If it is just MY FARTHER CAN BEAT YOUR FARTHER out of love to a brand - then that to me is kindergarten - and to you grown ups.

Bloggs are about helping each other and sharing info - or making serious statements comparing apples with apples on exact points - or just showing appreciation for watches, but to me not about every-time someone writes Rolex or IWC or Lang(e) having to write shit about Omega, Breitling, Tag Heuer, or what-ever springs to mind. I am not a fan in particular of any of the three - so that is not my object.
I know there are bloggs where religious people also fight for a brand as was if for life - and do not appreciate it there either

Enjoy Xmas now - and if it to you is a fucking Xmas as you wrote <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> I can imagine that this must be good fun too, but we have the kids and our granddaughter around for Xmas, so I will have to restrain myself
br

[willy]

hannover_dk Skrev:

willy Skrev:Compairing watches is what this blogg is about is it not? Of course we have to compair brands..But you seem to be saying do not say anything bad about other brands in case you hurt their feelings.Are we in a kindergarden here or a grown up blogg? Willy

You probably have the answer. I do (as I wrote) not mind comparing brands, if there is some substance and background. If it is just MY FARTHER CAN BEAT YOUR FARTHER out of love to a brand - then that to me is kindergarten - and to you grown ups.

Bloggs are about helping each other and sharing info - or making serious statements comparing apples with apples on exact points - or just showing appreciation for watches, but to me not about every-time someone writes Rolex or IWC or Lang(e) having to write shit about Omega, Breitling, Tag Heuer, or what-ever springs to mind. I am not a fan in particular of any of the three - so that is not my object.
I know there are bloggs where religious people also fight for a brand as was if for life - and do not appreciate it there either

Enjoy Xmas now - and if it to you is a fucking Xmas as you wrote <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> I can imagine that this must be good fun too, but we have the kids and our granddaughter around for Xmas, so I will have to restrain myself
br

Citat:

Ok Jhon glad to hear you have to restrain yourself. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> .Very merry xmas to you and your family. Willy

[Magnum]

Mads Gjødesen Skrev:John jeg mener ikke at dette IWC GC har kolonnehjulsstyret kronograf. Det har det nye Da Vinci Perpetual calender Chrono med cal. 89800 derimod. Men det er endnu ikke lavet i en GC udgave med minuterepeater. Skal det være rigtig vildt vil jeg give Willy ret i at Il Destriero Scafusia modellen er ond. Det har både tourbillon, minuterepeater, evighedskalender og rattrapante chrono



Det er limiteret i 125 stk. og prisen en pæn sjat over 1,5 mio.

/Mads

Den er ikke kolonnehjul, men helt almindelig 7750 styret. Kan ses lige til højre for "swiss made".
De bruger rigtig mange dele fra 7750, alt det som kan bruges i optræk, løbeværk, chrono, dato. Selv platinen er også en 7750 der er fræset til.
Har engang læst at omkring 80% af et komplet 7750 værk benyttes.

Havde de lavet den selv helt fra bunden, så havde jeg bøjet mig i støvet.
Et ur i den prisklasse og det horologiske niveau de gerne vil op på, så er det i mine øjne en stor falliterklæring at bruge 7750 så meget.
De understreger det også selv fint, ved at dække det meste af værket med en kæmpe graveret plade, der kun har det formål at dække denne skammelighed Andre producenter havde stolt fremvist alle værkets detaljer/finesser. IWC vælger at pakke det ind i en smuk gravering.

[Mads Gjødesen]

Magnum jeg er både enig og uenig med dig. IWC hører til et af de firmaer der ikke er flove over at benytte 7750 elementer og komponenter i deres ure. Både deres "in-house" og som ebauche. Vi er enige om at det måske ikke er det smukkeste rent horologisk, men derfor har jeg stadig stor respekt for IWCs horologiske evner. Spørgsmålet er om man konstruerer et værk for at det skal være horologisk blær eller for at det skal fungere?! Kan man modificere et 7750 til et GC med de 4 største komplikationer kan man også lave et in-house fra bunden af selv skulle jeg mene. Hvorfor de har valgt at satse på 7750´eren som ebauche aner jeg ikke, men det kan kun være fordi de har så stor tillid til konstruktionen og driftssikkerheden bag den, hvilket de ønsker implementeret i værket.

Når det så er sagt er vi enige i at det er alt for mange penge for sådan et ur. Jeg ville ALDRIG smide den slags penge for en 7750-klon Der er langt mere sofistikerede værker fra AP, PP, Lange og JLC i samme prisklasse jeg hellere ville eje

/Mads

[Magnum]

Personligt kan jeg rigtigt godt lide 7750, fantastik værk/arbejdshest, men der skal også være "en mening med galskaben".
Jeg synes feks at det begynder at blive svært at forsvare, når fabrikkerne benytter 7750 i alm. stålure over en 30k, selvom værkerne er cosc, blå skruer osv. Så er det ikke value for money mere, så bliver det image/livsstil der betales for.

Det IWC laver med GC, svarer lidt til at bygge en Rolls Royce ovenpå et folkevognsrugbrød.

[Mr. Tick]

Magnum Skrev:... så bliver det image/livsstil der betales for.

Det IWC laver med GC, svarer lidt til at bygge en Rolls Royce ovenpå et folkevognsrugbrød.

Enig!

[Enzaie]

Tak for de mange gode indlæg ang. IWC, jeg har læst dem alle flere gange og de har ført mig vidt omkring, jeg fandt feks. nogle meget interssante små film på APs hjemmesind der viser lidt om urene, fy for s…. noget fint mekanik, men det letter kendskabet til “billige” ure ved også at kende lidt til de dyre, kan nogen af jer henvise til andre tilsvarende film om urfremstilning vil jeg MEGET gerne vide hvor jeg kan finde dem.

Nu er jeg maskinarbejder, og op på min arbejdsplads kan vi godt dreje en aksel eller borer et hul der passer inden for en hundrededel milimeter, med slibning og polering kan vi også godt lave det mere nøjagtigt, men alt hvad der sker under en ½ hundrededel er altså meget krævende at styre, nu er det så også i forhold til ure, store ting jeg laver og en tolorence på +/- 2 til 3 hundrededele er meget almindeligt, men hvad arbejder i urmagere med for nogle tolorencer, for jer, må en hundrededel jo være = et lysår, eller hvordan ???

[Mads Gjødesen]

Prøv at tjekke dette link. Fra et besøg hos AP. Der er billeder af tegninger med tolerancer på +/- 6 mikrometer

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/Mads