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willy Skrev:It does not matter so much eubauches are cheap anyway its what they do with them that counts.Philipee Dufour worked for Patek as you know he thinks the finish on a Lang is the best of any manufactured watch.And i am sure that ETA who are the biggest in the world could equal or beat any basic ebauche from any one you can name if we leave out people like Dufour.And yes i have seen those watches and no i am not a watchmaker.But i have read more about watches than almost anyone i have ever met and i can remember everything.It is a gift that i have.I listen to you and i put what you say against other experts i have read and then i make up my mind who should i believe most.I can learn from you because you are a watchmaker.And you can learn from me because i also have talents you do not have.Nothing is black or white in the watch world .I think saying that IWC use the cheapest eubauches is not the truth and just confuses people. Willy. PS.Hannova will give me telling off now because i compaired Lang with PP. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> Willy

I have the same gift Willy, and I also read everything I get my hands/eyes on.
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#52
Jeg synes det er mere filosofisk om man vil ha - som Mads gerne vil, at fabrikken laver værket helt fra grunden - med passion for horologi og kælen for alle små tolerencer - eller om man accepterer der bruges en basis kaliber, og så - med passion og kælen for tolerencerne bygges videre, men det står klart for mig, at der i det sidste fald er tale om en vis springen over hvor gærdet er lavest - medens det første fald går hele planken ud. (hm det var vist to ret forskellige ordsprog men passer vel)

Det ret sikkert, at resultatet i form af holdbarhed eller nøjagtighed næppe bliver så voldsomt forskelligt, men filosofien er ret forskellig, og jeg ville også værdsætte det som var bygget helt fra grunden højere.

At IWC f.eks. bygger i princip alt om på deres 7750 i komplikationsuret er klart, men omvendt - til langt over en 1 mio kr - skal der så være en 7750 tanke i det - Skal det bevare dennes knaststyring, eller skal der f.eks. være en totalt inhouse kolonne blandet ind. Det ville jeg i alle fald foretrække.
(ps jeg har også læst hele internettet både forfra og bagfra uden helt at fundet eksperterne så totalt enige i øvrigt <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> )
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#53
Magnum Skrev:
willy Skrev:It does not matter so much eubauches are cheap anyway its what they do with them that counts.Philipee Dufour worked for Patek as you know he thinks the finish on a Lang is the best of any manufactured watch.And i am sure that ETA who are the biggest in the world could equal or beat any basic ebauche from any one you can name if we leave out people like Dufour.And yes i have seen those watches and no i am not a watchmaker.But i have read more about watches than almost anyone i have ever met and i can remember everything.It is a gift that i have.I listen to you and i put what you say against other experts i have read and then i make up my mind who should i believe most.I can learn from you because you are a watchmaker.And you can learn from me because i also have talents you do not have.Nothing is black or white in the watch world .I think saying that IWC use the cheapest eubauches is not the truth and just confuses people. Willy. PS.Hannova will give me telling off now because i compaired Lang with PP. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> Willy

I have the same gift Willy, and I also read everything I get my hands/eyes on.
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