Ny Omega "milgauss"

[willy]

Stenstrup Skrev:

willy Skrev:A lot of what you say is true , but i think you are forgetting something . Omega make good watches with ETA calibers maybe finished by Omega . These calibers are for the most reliable long lasting and easy to service .

Rolex calibers are true inhouse calibers . And they are built for absolute reliability and strength , and easy service . Rolex do not waste money by putting glass backs on their watches or polishing the visable parts of the caliber . They concentrate on developing ways to make their watches even more reliable . Even IWC have in the last ten years copied the policy of Rolex , and have dumped polishing high finish on basic calibers . They know that spending more time on the workmanship of the caliber means better reliabilty . ETA supply not only Omega - Brietling- Tag etc etc but also thousands of other brands all over the world . They supply basic or finished calibers to all of these brands . And they have to do it at a reasonable cost . What these brands do with these calibers is up to them . But it is a fact that only a few brands get the calibers from ETA in kits and completly re- machine them before putting them together again . IWC are one of the few brands that do this . And you have to ask yourself why ?

The reason is very simple ETA calibers do not live up to the high standard of workmanship that IWC demand from their calibers . I am not saying ETA could not do the same , i am saying they do not . They make so many millions of calibers every year , that good quality for a good price is the priority here .

Brands like Rolex or IWC can concentrate on developing new ideas and put them into practice much much quicker than a mastodon like ETA . Rolex are very very conservative and carefull . Nothing absolutly nothing gets put into production before it is tested to extremes that other brands can only dream about . You might ask yourself why can they do this ? The answer is simple . Rolex are a fund they are not forced by anyone to look at their profit margin every year . Omega and most other brands have to make money every year for the Shareholders in the Swatch or Richmont groups etc etc .

It is really an unfair fight between Rolex and Omega , and one that Omega can never win . Rolex have so many advantages to start with that, it is like compairing Manchester United with Wigan .

This is not to say that Omega cannot make a watch that is comparable or even better than a Rolex model . Just look at the Speedy for an example . I think many Omega models are great value , and i personally like many of their watches . And who knows what the future can bring , reputations can be destroyed or made overnight in this world. But right now in my opinion Rolex make the strongest mechanical watch you can buy . Willy

Hej Willy.

Mange ting er rigtig, men 2 ting er anderledes.

ETA sælger ikke værker til andre end Swatchgruops egne urmærker nu. Selv reservedele til Raymond Weil ved jeg fra Raymond Weil hovedkontor skal igang med at samarbejde med andre leverandører.

IWC har brugt både ETA værker, men også in-houseværker til deres superdyre specialmodeller, som ligger langt over 200.000 kr. I dag bruger IWC Selllita værker til nogle af deres basiskalibre, og forsat inhouseværker for de rigtig dyre ure.
Men i virkeligheden kan man ikke sige at inhouseurværker gør at urværkerne er ekstra gode. Seiko bruger Inhouse og deres basaiskalibre er middelkvalitet og nok ikke værd at give service efter 5 til 10 år. (jeg tænker på de Seikoure til 1.000 - 2.000 kr.). Men deres springdrive inhouse er af en uovertruffen kvalitet og kan naturligvis altid betale sig at give service.

VH

Nicholas

You have missed the point completly . What Raymond Weil who are a low end brand do as got nothing to do with this discussion at all . Try reading about the way IWC recieve and rebuild out scourced calibers , before giving an opinion on them . They do not use any built outside calibers at all . What they recieve from Sellita are just pieces that they rework to IWC standard . Seiko are completly inhouse they make everything themselves from cheap basic calibers to Grand Seiko High end . In this aspect Seiko are unique in the watch world .

Nobody is saying that Inhouse is always better than out scourced calibers . I think you are using your own personal experience as a measure of what is up and down concerning watches . No body knows everything about watches . I have met many really clever watchmakers who know very little about the brands they do not work on or service . And many people who know a great deal about brands and their history but not much about the workings of a caliber . I think it is important to research something before making a statement on it We are all learning Willy