Do they think we are idiots ? Or do they know we are ?

[willy]

Rolex will of course keep on selling their watches for many years to come . But in the long run you cannot produce 1 million watches a year and keep the image as an exclusive watch . And already at this time they are one of the most common luxury watches in the world . And compairing them to AP is quite fair . And i think anyone who buys a Rolex costing the same as a AP , is really throwing money down the drain . The AP is at the top of the watch chain in terms of finish and quality , Rolex is not . Willy

[KlausM]

Jeg må være usædvanlig tungnem men hvad er det for et Rolex ref der koster det samme som en AP som kan sammenlignes? Er det en Daytona kontra en ROC er prisen ikke næsten dobbelt op? Eller en Datejust kontra en RO?
Mvh
Klaus

[willy]

Put it this way . If i had the money to buy a Rolex Daytona or a AP RO there would be no contest even if they are different types of watches . The AP is just in a different class . I could also say the same about a Chopard with a LUC caliber or a IWC with a 7 day caliber , or a few hundred other watches in that price class . I know you love Rolex but seriously it is just a mass produced and well made watch . Willy

[KlausM]

Jeg holder meget af både Rolex og AP og giver dig ret i at AP er i en klasse eller to over men hvordan du så kan sammeligne en Daytona og en ROO forstår jeg slet ikke. At de så også skulle koste det samme synes jeg du må længere ud på landet med eller var du bare lidt for hurtig på tasterne? Hvad er det egentligt for et råd du vil give kommende Rolex ejere?
Mvh
Klaus

[willy]

KlausM Skrev:Jeg holder meget af både Rolex og AP og giver dig ret i at AP er i en klasse eller to over men hvordan du så kan sammeligne en Daytona og en ROO forstår jeg slet ikke. At de så også skulle koste det samme synes jeg du må længere ud på landet med eller var du bare lidt for hurtig på tasterne? Hvad er det egentligt for et råd du vil give kommende Rolex ejere?
Mvh
Klaus

If you noticed i said they are getting to close to other brands that are in a different class . You should not think that Rolex are the only brand who have done this . If i had to chose between a new Deep Sea at 65000 kr and a AP diver used but nearly mint . I would say the AP is a better buy . There are also hundreds of watches out there that for the same price as any Rolex model give much better value for money . I am talking about watches with hand built calibers and finishing that Rolex do not come close to . I have owned nearly every Rolex model you can think of . And i might own another Rolex one day . I have also written many reviews about them . Because you like a certain brand should not make you blind to the merits of others . Since you ask me for advice for coming Rolex owners , I would give them this advice . A Rolex is probably the safest watch you can buy . It is very well made very strong and reliable , and it will keep its value maybe better than any other watch in its price class . But as you learn more about watches you will understand that there are hundreds of other watches , that are better made and cost the same . Human beings are flock animals , if you like millions of other people in this world think Rolex is the ultimate watch . Then so be it , I am not here to change your mind but to give you my opinion . Willy

[KlausM]

Ja jeg forstår stadig ikke din sammenligning. Nu er det et sprit nyt mod et brugt.

Du har tidligere udtalt at "AP ROO has become quite a common watch world wide. AP really milked the cow on these models and I think the prices are dropping. To be honest I think they are one of the most over rated watches made. willy"

Jeg prøver ikke at tale Rolex sag her jeg synes bare ikke jeg kan finde den røde tråd i det du siger. Jeg kan sagtens finde eksempelvis et GP som brugt koster det halve af et Omega eller Rolex men det siger vel mere om GP og en direkte sammenligning giver ikke mening i min bog. Siden hvornår er AP et better made ur? Hvad måler du kvalitet på? Finish, holdbarhed, materialevalg?

Det er ikke mig der beder dig skrive råd. Du har selv startet tråden med et formål der er noget tåget.
Kan du ikke sende mig et link til alle dine reviews? Det er sikkert spændende læsning.
Mvh
Klaus

[willy]

To be honest i do not think that this debate can ever end . I have critizised just about every watch brand you can think of , at one time or another . No brand in the world make great watches all of the time , and it does not matter if they are called Patek - Lange - AP - IWC etc etc . People will in the end always make up their own mind . The most important is to give honest opinions based on what you know about watches . And i believe that everyone on this site knows how to google <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> If you do not believe what i write , start to google and then come with your arguments . Or read lots and lots of books about watches . And last but not least i still believe that AP have milked the Offshore models with so many limited editions . And yes it is in my opinion a useless dress diver . But it is also my opinion that it is much much better made than any Rolex you can name . The work and finish put into many watches in the same price range as Rolex is just as good or better . If you believe the Rolex is a well made watch you are right . But you can say the same about a Omega or a Sinn with a ETA caliber . There are many small brands out there that offer hand built beautifully made watches for the same price of say a Rolex Sub . And lets be honest when i was young it was special to own a Rolex . That is not the case today ! Willy

[KlausM]

Det er ikke en debat fra min side. Jeg forsøger blot at forstå hvad det er du skriver og mener men det har jeg nu opgivet.
God weekend.
Mvh
Klaus

[willy]

KlausM Skrev:Det er ikke en debat fra min side. Jeg forsøger blot at forstå hvad det er du skriver og mener men det har jeg nu opgivet.
God weekend.
Mvh
Klaus

Unfortunatly this world is not black or white . And a good weekend to you Klaus Willy

[hannover_dk]

KlausM Skrev:Jeg kan sagtens finde eksempelvis et GP som brugt koster det halve af et Omega eller Rolex men det siger vel mere om GP og en direkte sammenligning giver ikke mening i min bog. Siden hvornår er AP et better made ur? Hvad måler du kvalitet på? Finish, holdbarhed, materialevalg?


Mvh
Klaus

Ja det er jo ganske meget samme debat jeg havde med Willy. De konstante ønsker om at sammenligne , ofte for at vise at dette eller hint er meget bedre end xxxx som så må være skidt
Ret sjældent holder det. Selv i yderligheder, et Patek mod et Certina. Patek er laaaangt bedre, men hvordan bedre? Er det meget mere præcist, er det billigt at servicere, holder det meget bedre?.
Jeg ved godt det er langt finere forarbejdet, langt finere detaljer og løsninger, men kun at sammenligne som "bedre" selv med enklere sammenligninger IWC mod Omega, giver ikke mening, der er for mange parametre ofte, ganske som du nævner her Klaus

Det er fint at vælge IWC eller andet, fordi det har så fint polere dele i værket og super lænke, men ofte overflødigt at blande andre ure ind

Hvad Rolex angår er det i forvejen for dyrt hvis formålet er at kunne se hvad klokken er, men både i brugtpris og brand value er det nok ganske så ok, og vil overleve prisstigningen, uden køberne er blevet større fjolser af det