17-06-2004, 03:40 PM
Er der nogle der har hørt om dette italienske mærke, og er det til at opdrive herhjemme.
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17-06-2004, 03:40 PM
Er der nogle der har hørt om dette italienske mærke, og er det til at opdrive herhjemme.
17-06-2004, 04:00 PM
Hej Thomas
Jeg har også kigget på dette mærke, der jo er udsprunget grundlag af tidligere panerai ansatte dengang de blev opkøbt af Vendome gruppen. De laver nogle fantastiske ure, derefter min mening (og mange andre ur-entusiasters ) er DE HOTTESTE på markedet p.t og et must i enhver samling............. specielt hvis man som mig samtidig er facineret af italiensk design. Her er links til uddybene kendskab [url]"http://watchuseek.com/anonimoforum.htm">http://watchuseek.com/anonimoforum.htm[/url] [url]"http://www.anonimo.com/">http://www.anonimo.com/[/url] [url]"http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=search&srch=anonimo&forum_limiter=4">http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t= ... _limiter=4[/url] De kan ikke købes i DK, men på anonimo's hjemmeside kan du finde link til deres distributør i GB eller Tyskland Jeg ligger selv på lur til et købe et milimetri eller militare crono Held og lykke og lad os høre hvis du får fingre i et.
17-06-2004, 09:15 PM
Ca. et år siden holde Mikael Lange - på den gode gamle forum - en konkurrence. Man skulle finde ud af hvilket ur en bestemt amerikansk filmskuespiller ( en politiserie, sorry kan ikke huske navnet mere ) havde på i serien.
Uret lignede en PAM 001. Lidt søgen på nettet og zoom-ind i billeder overbeviste mig om at uret ikke var Panerai men derimod en Anonimo. Der var en kartong pilsner i højkanten - tak, Mikael <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> Sagen udløste en hidsigt debat, hvor der bla. blev sat et stort spørgsmålstegn efter påstanden om hvorvidt tidligere Panerai ansatte har noget som helst med sagen at gøre. Jeg ved det ikke. To gange har jeg - i dagligt arbejde - skiftet batteri i Anonimo. Begge to var IMHO Paneraikopier, den ene med et meget billigt lille Myota værk med kæmpe plastikmanchet, den anden ( pga. den lille sekundviser i kl. 9 ) med et modifiseret kinesisk quartzværk ligeledes med fyldig manchet. Snakkede med ejerne og fik vide at urene havde kostet mellem 5 og 7K - købt i US og GB. Nej - jeg vil ikke sige et ondt ord om Anonimo, jeg undrer mig bare. Man må jo bruge frit sine penge, ligeledes sælge sine varer for priser man synes er passende og jeg er den første at indrømme, at det ikke altid er det tekniske, man falder i urene. Men hvorfor koster så - for eksempel - Skagen ure kun mellem kr. 798 og 1.298 ? Har også checked de links der er i den tidligere posting og kan se, at nu produceres de også med et mekanisk urværk. Hvad er det mon et..... ? Påstand ( jo, lidt polemisk Så cliché-aktigt som det lyder: Et fremragende eksempel af den postmoderne forvirring / blandingskultur. Fra anden side; ER du glæd for din Anonimo og føler at du ikke har betalt for meget.... tillykke ! Og helt uden sarkasme. Cheers - John Mvh. John - nu under det sorte flag*.
(*Jolly Roger, ikke IS !
17-06-2004, 11:27 PM
David Caruso i CSI Miami, og det var hverken Panerai, Anonimo, men Ritmo Mundo han bar i serien, hvilket jeg husker med skræk ikk` os` Kristian?, som sponsorerede øllerne, da man på Panerai forum var 100 % sikker på det var Anonimo.
Ps øllene var godt givet ud, jeg har jo nærmest drukket dem selv!!!. en lille konkurrence i samme stil kunne måske sætte lidt liv i forum? Mikael _______________________________________________________ Hvad drikker Muller???---Coke!!
18-06-2004, 10:47 AM
Kære Tio Malo
Jeg har brugt en del tid på at studere Anonomi ([url]"http://www.anonimo.com/">http://www.anonimo.com/[/url]) og der må helt klart være tale om 2 forskellige mærker, da du jo henviser til quartz !!!! Det Anonimo som jeg henviste til i mit indlæg ovenfor laver ikke Quartz modeller (og har aldrig gjort). Alternativt må der være tale om fake / kopier. Desuden starter billigste Anonimo model ved 2.500 EUR (ca. 18.500 kr.) Jeg synes du skulle sætte dig lidt mere ind i tingene inden du udtrykker dig negativt om et mærke du ikke kender ? Anonimo i Firenze er opstået og grundlagt udelukkende af oprindelige panerai ansatte (herunder den tidligere panerai direktør mr. Federico Massacesi). De laver udelukkende mekaniske kvalitetsure og er netop grundlagt for at puste nyt liv i den stolte florentiske urmager tradition. Til info bruger de hovedsageligt modificerede ETA værker jf. hjemmesiden (ligesom panerai iøvrigt.......) Men mening er: Panerai er da fede nok, men bliver lidt mainstream i forhold til Anonimo Til den oprindelig post der efterspurgte steder urene kunne fås kan du skrive til deres engelske distributør direkte på <!-- e --><a href="mailto:sales@anonimouk.com">sales@anonimouk.com</a><!-- e --> God weekend
18-06-2004, 02:38 PM
Touché.
Det er meget muligt at jeg har skiftet batteriet i to Anonimo fake´s ( ? ). Jeg har nu ikke hellere påstået at være ekspert ang. mærket. Og - det skammer jeg.......... Jeg vandt den der famøse kasse pilsner ved at spotte en Ritmo Mundo - IKKE Anonimo. Og alt det pseudofilosofisk ævl ang. postmoderne tendenser - det var Ritmo Mundo in mente. Så - har jeg nu krybet på korset ordentligt ? John
22-06-2004, 01:00 PM
Ifølge Mario Paci, tidligere ingeniør hos Panerai - jeg citerer:
"When Panerai started to move to Switzerland I felt very very bad, because a piece of my heart came away! Anonimo born from the ashes of Panerai and I respect its work, but I wish to point out that no Anonimo people was working into Panerai, but someone of them worked for Panerai as supplier." Yderligere: "Panerai and Anonimo will never compare. Panerai was dedicated to military requirements and has many inventions and creations registered by G. Panerai and Panerai Firenze. Anonimo is a commercial company. Panerai had some hard time to communicate with civilians and we had difficulties to respond civilians expectations, but we were wanted from the beginning. Anonimo makes some good watches, I think their background and history is weak." Ego: Ingen direkte forbindelse til OP, men til nogle af deres underleverandører, som leverede cases og dials måske? Der florerer mange rygter, heraf mange sat i søen af greymarket sellers, der ønsker at Anonimo priserne følger Panerai's udvikling. Desuden enig i Mr. Paci's pointe omkring historie Info om Mr Paci (citat): "Egineer MARIO PACI was at PANERAI till it definately moved (1999). He was employed by PANERAI (FIRENZE) for various projects but from 1992 ownwards one of his duty was to quality control every Instruments/Watches that were produced by PANERAI. This explains why all our Pre-Vendome watches bear the same signature." Heri menes der at alle certifikater på Pre-V Pam's bærer hans signatur, da de er blevet kvalitetskontrolleret af ham. Han samler iøvrigt selv på Anonimo og har 3 styk, og mener at den bedste er professionale. Hele tråden fra interviewet med ham kan findes på viapaneristi.com - enjoy
22-06-2004, 01:19 PM
Enjoy
Citat, public forum paneristi.com: " Looking at that Anonimo post below, I felt the need to explain a couple of things... Since Giuseppe Panerai died in 1972, Officine Panerai SpA (which was the merger of Panerai Meccanica Srl and Panerai Elettronica Srl, both previously born out of the Guido Panerai & Figlio company) had NOTHING to do with the production of watches. This is a bold statement, but I will explain. They were an engineering company that supplied various 'solutions' and specialized instruments to (mainly) the Italian Navy and (with less success) to other naval forces in the world. Some spin-offs of these technologies, like helicopter landing systems, were also sold to civil clients (hospitals, forest departments, offshore oil drilling companies, etc.) Easy to understand if you know where the management team came from. Ing. Dino Zei was previously a Commander and Engineer with the Marina Militare, whereby his verious positions frequently covered the Teseo Tesei group of commandos and combat divers. Ing. Franco Zavataro was previously a Fregat Captain and Commander of the Gruppo Incursori. Ing. Bruno Latini was previously owner and Director of the acoustic laboratory 'Centro Progettazioni Elettroniche of Cinesello Balsamo' (which Panerai acquired in 1990). Prior to 1972, Guido Panerai & Figlio could hardly be called a watch producing company either. Their output, from the late 1930's to the 1960s, was less than 300 watches, produced by Rolex and converted into Marina Militare-compliant 'instruments' by Panerai. Due to increasing demand by some Italian collectors at the end of the 1980s, and due to the affinity of both Dino Zei & Franco Zavattaro with the combat diver units, it was believed that a replica-series of the Panerai watches could be a good thing for Panerai. This idea was also positively received by the Italian Navy. Panerai's Chief Designer, Alessandro Bettarini (who posts here sometimes as 'Pico') developed the blueprints for the 44mm Luminor and the almost forgotten Mare Nostrum Chronograph (stop watches were a must in the early 1990s). The production of the cases and assembly of the watches was fully outsourced. The 5218-201/A and 5218-301/A to a Florentine company, both the 5218-202/A and 5218-203/A to a Swiss company. I'm not 100% sure if Panerai ordered the dials, crystals and movements themselves or that they were part of the outsourcing deal. Fact is that the full assembly was done by the outsourcing companies. Straps, buckles and boxes were ordered by Panerai and it was Mario Paci that fitted them during the AQU (quality assurance) work. The picture you've probably seen of Mario Paci at his desk IS Panerai's watch department (there wasn't anything more, except for some space in the warehouse). The conversion of 200x 5218-201/A into SlyTech 5218-201/A, 5218-205/A and 5218-207/A and the conversion of 100x 5218-301/A into SlyTech 5218-302 and 5218-304 were quite simple jobs that were outsourced to a couple of smaller Italian companies. When Cartier bought the Officine Panerai brand name in spring 1997, they bought the name, the designs and the remaining stock of all wrist intruments: watches, compasses, depth meters. The Panerai company remained 'as is' at their premises at Cascine del Riccio, in the community of Impruneta (FI). As they had sold the 'Officine Panerai' brand name, they just renamed the company as 'Panerai Sistemi SpA'. As their financial difficulties weren't over with Cartier's Lires, the company sold out to Calzoni of Bologna in 1999, upon which Dino Zei retired. Panerai Sistemi remained at their Impruneta premises as a semi-independent Calzoni division till fall 2003, when everything finally moved to Bologna. Anonimo acquired the Florentine company that produced both the 899 Logos and 1000 Mare Nostrums in 1993. Don't believe the story that Anonimo saved the Panerai workers from unemployment when Cartier moved the watch production to Switzerland. If this story is true, those workers had probably all died after nearly 5 years of starvation... What is true is that Mr. Massachesi was responsible for an honorable initiative to keep the tradition of Florentine watchmaking alive, thereby employing some people and companies that were involved with the 'Replica Panerais' of 1993-1994. I happen to know Panerai's former strap supplier rather well. Anonimo helped him paying for the patent on the Kodiak seawater-proofing process and he's now supplying the Anonimo straps. If you want to read more, may I invite you to go and check the websites of both Panerai Sistemi and Calzoni (a Kohl Morgen company). [url]"http://www.paneraisistemi.com/">http://www.paneraisistemi.com/[/url] [url]"http://www.calzonispa.com">http://www.calzonispa.com[/url] [url]"http://www.calzonispa.com/NAV/prodotti/products.htm">http://www.calzonispa.com/NAV/prodotti/products.htm[/url] " |
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