walt odets

[davidpi]

Hej urforum. Jeg har været her nogle gange før og har fulgt med i flere spændende tråd. Og flere gange er det blevet nævnte om en der hedder walt odets. Som er kendt for den artikel om rolex explorer og som blev på andre urforum diskuterer om han er urmager eller ej. Så jeg vil spørge alle urnørder her på urforum om i ved det

[stenstrupigen]

Hej David.

Mange af hans artikler er over 15 år gamle, og dengang var han vist ikke urmager, men entusiast.

Dog en meget objektiv en synes jeg og meget grundig. Han var ikke i lommerne på nogen og var derfor kritisk.

Billederne taler også for sig selv. Rolex Explorer uret havde ting hvor mange penge var ofret. Skiven, samt balancen samt stålet. Resten af uret hvilket er alt i værket undtagen balancen var af samme kvalitet som i 10.000 kr ure.

Når ma laver 1 mill ure om året imod noget af det fineste urmageri som Patek Phillipes 50.000 ure, som de tager sig højt betalt for, har Rolex selvfølgelig cut corners. Derfor er finish middel på værkerne.

http://people.timezone.com/library/horol...logium0036

Ligesom review på Etas Valjous 7750 som Rolex gerne ville bruge i deres Tudorchronograh collection havde et par platiskdele i sig i chronographen.

http://people.timezone.com/library/horol...3433425752

Om tingene har ændret sig ved jeg ikke. Jeg tror det ikke. Rolex er verdens mest producerende luksusmærke. Omrking 4.000 ure laves om dagen. Der er ikke tid til at bruge super meget tid på hvert ur. Og heldigvis ikke. Ellers ville prisen jo blive endnu højere.

Når man tænker på urmærkets prisstigninger for de samme modeller over en forholdsvis lang overrække er det udbud og efterspørgtsel, som afgør prisen. Ikke urets kvalitet som bliver bedre. Det kommer når nye modeller laves.

[willy]

Når ma laver 1 mill ure om året imod noget af det fineste urmageri som Patek Phillipes 50.000 ure, som de tager sig højt betalt for, har Rolex selvfølgelig cut corners. Derfor er finish middel på værkerne.

                                             That is like compairing a Rolls Royce to a Audi.And totally unfair to Rolex.Lange only make 6000,so with your way of thinking Patek cut corners.Rolex are not high end,so it is wrong to compair them in this way.But Rolex do not cut corners,and this is what makes them a great brand.And a brand that all watches in their price class are measured against.I can also inform you that in the watch industry Rolex cases are considered to be the best of the best,even Lange or Patek cannot beat them.
                                       Walt is one of my watch idols.But because he criticised one Rolex caliber,does not mean he did not admire Rolex.To be able to make 1000,000 watches a year with such a high standard of quality is nothing short of a miracle.The Rolex production method is absolutly unbelievable.Rolex do not strive to make high end watches.They strive to make the strongest and most reliable watches with superb quality built into each watch.I can criticise Rolex just like any other brand,but i can also see the great things they have achieved.And to call the finish of the calibers middle of the road is a bit unfair,because compaired to many watches in the Rolex price range their finish is quite good.

[stenstrupigen]

(16-11-2015, 09:32 PM)willy Skrev: Når ma laver 1 mill ure om året imod noget af det fineste urmageri som Patek Phillipes 50.000 ure, som de tager sig højt betalt for, har Rolex selvfølgelig cut corners. Derfor er finish middel på værkerne.

                                             That is like compairing a Rolls Royce to a Audi.And totally unfair to Rolex.Lange only make 6000,so with your way of thinking Patek cut corners.Rolex are not high end,so it is wrong to compair them in this way.But Rolex do not cut corners,and this is what makes them a great brand.And a brand that all watches in their price class are measured against.I can also inform you that in the watch industry Rolex cases are considered to be the best of the best,even Lange or Patek cannot beat them.
                                       Walt is one of my watch idols.But because he criticised one Rolex caliber,does not mean he did not admire Rolex.To be able to make 1000,000 watches a year with such a high standard of quality is nothing short of a miracle.The Rolex production method is absolutly unbelievable.Rolex do not strive to make high end watches.They strive to make the strongest and most reliable watches with superb quality built into each watch.I can criticise Rolex just like any other brand,but i can also see the great things they have achieved.And to call the finish of the calibers middle of the road is a bit unfair,because compaired to many watches in the Rolex price range their finish is quite good.

Hello Willy


You wrote

"Lange only make 6000,so with your way of thinking Patek cut corners". You meant Rolex.

If you take Rolex Cellini collection the cases are proberly like PP and Lange I assume., but yes the Oystercases are strong, but the steel may make a bit of a difference because many other watchcases of other brands make them also very strong. The oystercase it not so special anymore.

Yes I agree the production of Rolex is amazing, since they can make 1 mill watches a year in that quality, but not everything is top knock. It cannot be. 

I don´t know if the finish is super in Rolex. According to Walt it is medium compared to many other much cheaper watches. However when you zome so much with a cammera that he does I guess it is easy to see some flors.
I dont know Walt oppinion on Rolexwathes in general. In my oppinion they are the one that can market there product the best.

[longbear]

(16-11-2015, 08:01 PM)davidpi Skrev: Hej urforum. Jeg har været her nogle gange før og har fulgt med i flere spændende tråd. Og flere gange er det blevet nævnte om en der hedder walt odets. Som er kendt for den artikel om rolex explorer og som blev på andre urforum diskuterer om han er urmager eller ej. Så jeg vil spørge alle urnørder  her på urforum om i ved det  

og straks startede en Rolex diskussion :)

Walt var praktiserende psykolog, og havde blot ure som hobby! Han var så vidt jeg husker med fra starten på TimeZone.com helt tilbage i 1997/1998 og hans Horologium kom lidt senere samt TZ watch School hvor han var det bærende element. Desværre huskes han oftest blot for den Rolex review, mens hans 50 andre artikler ikke nævnes, og det er en stor skam. Jeg vil anbefale alle at læse hele skidtet, det er god "grundviden" og så sent som sidste uge måtte jeg grave noget frem vedr. princippet bag Gyromax balancer. Ud over at lave sine artikler var han aktiv på TZ generelt.
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Så er aftenlæsningen til resten af ugen sikret!! Tak for det @longbear


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[willy]

(16-11-2015, 10:09 PM)stenstrupigen Skrev:

(16-11-2015, 09:32 PM)willy Skrev: Når ma laver 1 mill ure om året imod noget af det fineste urmageri som Patek Phillipes 50.000 ure, som de tager sig højt betalt for, har Rolex selvfølgelig cut corners. Derfor er finish middel på værkerne.

                                             That is like compairing a Rolls Royce to a Audi.And totally unfair to Rolex.Lange only make 6000,so with your way of thinking Patek cut corners.Rolex are not high end,so it is wrong to compair them in this way.But Rolex do not cut corners,and this is what makes them a great brand.And a brand that all watches in their price class are measured against.I can also inform you that in the watch industry Rolex cases are considered to be the best of the best,even Lange or Patek cannot beat them.
                                       Walt is one of my watch idols.But because he criticised one Rolex caliber,does not mean he did not admire Rolex.To be able to make 1000,000 watches a year with such a high standard of quality is nothing short of a miracle.The Rolex production method is absolutly unbelievable.Rolex do not strive to make high end watches.They strive to make the strongest and most reliable watches with superb quality built into each watch.I can criticise Rolex just like any other brand,but i can also see the great things they have achieved.And to call the finish of the calibers middle of the road is a bit unfair,because compaired to many watches in the Rolex price range their finish is quite good.

Hello Willy


You wrote

"Lange only make 6000,so with your way of thinking Patek cut corners". You meant Rolex.

If you take Rolex Cellini collection the cases are proberly like PP and Lange I assume., but yes the Oystercases are strong, but the steel may make a bit of a difference because many other watchcases of other brands make them also very strong. The oystercase it not so special anymore.

Yes I agree the production of Rolex is amazing, since they can make 1 mill watches a year in that quality, but not everything is top knock. It cannot be. 

I don´t know if the finish is super in Rolex. According to Walt it is medium compared to many other much cheaper watches. However when you zome so much with a cammera that he does I guess it is easy to see some flors.
I dont know Walt oppinion on Rolexwathes in general. In my oppinion they are the one that can market there product the best.

No i meant Patek.What i was trying to say,was that you cannot always judge watches by the production numbers.Walt examined one Rolex.You cannot use that to judge the current production.I agree with Longbear you have to read everything Walt wrote.

[stenstrupigen]

Perhaps he had a monday model

However I don´t know or think Rolex should have changed procedure when it comes to finish. They aim on accurate wathes, and now with very good shochprotection and and longer powerreserve and a good spring will do the trick. They also do alot to make sure the qualty is good on there dials.

IMHO personely don´t care if they lack on finish. It has no inpact on the performance. Anyway not so little it is.

It would be great to see new reviews on other watches, but only very few will put the time into such a detailed review.