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Mechanical Verses Quartz . - willy - 07-02-2015

This seems to be a never ending discussion . I will try to shed a bit of light on this subject , without going into to much detail about the calibers . You can google them yourselves .

Many look down their noses at quartz , saying they are easy to make and not worth collecting . They are usually talking out of the back of their heads , about something they know nothing about . Most of them do not know the difference between a high or low end quartz calibers . And in terms of collecting and future value , again they are just guessing . Let me explain why .

Mechanical watch collecting is a relative new trend , that first started in a big way for about 30-40 years ago . Before this time there were very few collectors in the world , who would pay big money for an old wristwatch .Rolex and Patek both bought their own watches at auctions at gross overprice to create a boom in the prices and collectability of vintage watches . Auction houses like Antiquorim also helped to create a new market for used wristwatches . Watch sites started to open all over the world , and suddenly mechanical watches were once again the in thing . The Japanese quartz invasion nearly wiped out the swiss mechanical watch industry in the seventys . And believe it or not it was a quartz watch that saved the swiss mechanical watch industry . The Swatch quartz watches generated enough money for the Swatch group , that enabled them to once again make mechanical watches . So you could say that the swiss watch industry was destroyed by quartz and brought back to life by quartz .

If you look back in the history of collecting antiques , you will find one irrefutable fact . And that is , that anything that is rare or unique is worth money in the future Especially when it was the the first in its field , because then it becomes a part of history . That is why people who say all quartz watches are not worth collecting , are talking rubbish .

The technology in high end quartz watches leaves any run of the mill mechanical caliber for dead . Just Google the Seiko 9F movement or Omega 1538 , and of course the Rolex Oyster Quartz caliber . These calibers are unique and amongst the first of the super quartz movements . To say that these calibers will not be highly collectable in say 20-30 years is a joke . With the speed of development today , who honestly believes we will have batterys in watches in the future ? These quartz watches are a very important part of watch making history To say otherwise is based on snobbery and lack of knowledge .

Already some of the first computers are selling for small fortunes . And this tendancy can and will spread in the future . These electronic dinosaurs are just as big a part of our history as mechanical wrist watches are . To say otherwise is arrogant . Some will say that there is more handwork in a mechanical timepiece . That may have been the case 40-50 years ago , but not anymore . 98 % of all mechanical watches are spit out of machines , and finished and assembled by machines . Only a very small procent of mechanical watches have real watchmakers working on them . So you know where you can stick your ideas about the soul in mechanical watches Icon_e_wink

Already many of these early high end quartz watches have increased in price , and have no doubt this will accelerate in the future . The Omega Marinequartz is just one that is a good Investment to buy for your grandchildren . There are many others . I paid 13000dkr for a Rolex Oyster Quartz 5 years ago , in absolute mint condition with box & papers and purchase papers . I have been offered over 35000 dkr for my watch , but it is not for sale . There are only 20 of these watches for sale on Chrono 24 , and they have nearly all been polished and ruined . So do not try to tell me High end quartz is not a good Investment for the future . I know that if my watch is maybe put up for sale in say 30 years time , it will cost a small fortune because it is rare and unique .You will not be saying the same about the millions of submariners Rolex have spit out by this time .

I love mechanical watches when they are well made . I can honestly say the same about quartz . Just as there is a huge difference in the quality of mechanical watches , is there a difference in the quality of quartz . To put all quartz watches in the same bag is just like compairing a ETA basic caliber with a Lange caliber .

So why is it that people who collect mechanical watches tend to look down on quartz ? I think they are in love with the past , and i can respect this . But this past exists in so few mechanical watches today , that i find it hard to understand them . I can understand it better with people who collect vintage watches that were really made by hand . There is a kind of soul in vintage . I admire the genius that went into the development of Quartz , and the enormous effort made by these pioneers of timekeeping .

Mechanical collectors who dismiss quartz , might like to remember it was the same way of thinking that people who travelled in a horse and cart , had about the car . Quartz has played a very important part in the history of timekeeping , and history will judge and remember these watches just like it remembers Breguet and Harrison .

Now a bit of advice and an example to look at . The Omega 300 seamaster is a great watch and a future classic .It is a nearly useless dive watch because of the stupid bezel design . But it looks bloody fantastic , and it is the shape of the bezel that makes this watch look so different to all other divers . Its funny when you think about it . A design cock up , making a great looking watch . Now you can buy this watch in mechanical or quartz . So what do you choose ? If you buy the mechanical version you get a ETA caliber that is made in the millions , and is sitting in so many other watches , its like a virus . So forget about the soul of watchkeeping , because it is definitely not in this watch .But the Swatch Group will still charge you a small fortune to keep the watch running for you , in its lifetime . The quartz seamaster 300 m is exactly the same watch with a high grade quartz movement inside . The quartz is much more robust and will cost you a very small amount to keep running , and it keeps better time . And nobody will know the difference when you are wearing it . These watches are made in the hundreds of thousands and will never become great collector items . So for me the choice is easy , i would go for the quartz in this case .

Watches that contain quartz movements from many high end brands , are a waste of space and money . PP- Cartier- AP- JLC- etc etc , put quartz calibers in some of their watches to satisfy some of their buyers who just want a easy watch to look after . Stay away from these design moneymakers , because the price does not justify what you get . Not many brands today sell really high end quality quartz in top standard watches . Some that spring to mind are Brietling - Omega- and Seiko . These three brands have some really high end quartz calibers in top quality watches .

Advice , always buy used if you can . When a mechanical or quartz watch has reached its price level after a year or two . There is really no big difference in the future used price . A new mechanical Omega 300 costs more than the new quartz model . And this will continue for the watches lifetime . So if you think you gain by buying the mechanical used watch , then think again . In fact over say a ten year period the quartz because of lower service costs is a better investment . I would like to add that there are really no black or white rules concerning buying mechanical or quartz . It all depends on the watch and the caliber , and of course the price . But sometimes it really is better to buy quartz .

I cannot resist giving one more example . If i had the choice of buying say a IWC or Brietling with a ETA or Selitta caliber inside it , for say 45000dkr . Or a Grand Seiko with a high end quartz caliber for the same price . Then for me the choice is easy , the Seiko wins easily . And i bet that in the future the Seiko will be more collectable and will cost more than the IWC or Brietling .

Re: Mechanical Verses Quartz . - Stensbjerg - 08-02-2015

Rigtig fint indlæg ven som jeg er meget enig i, men den snak har vi jo haft Icon_e_wink

Jeg kommer heller aldrig til at fatte hvorfor nogen vil købe et ur til feks. 30k
Med et over all standard ETA eller selita værk inden i, når de samme penge kan købe
Dig et High end Quartz.

Som jeg altid siger hvis man bare kalder Quartz for Quartz
så viser man blot Hvor lidt man egentlig ved.

præcis det samme som når folk fortæller mig at spring drive "Blot" er et Quartz,
Så Tænker jeg, do your homework before you go to town.<img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" />

Men hey så er de billigere for os andre. Icon_e_biggrin

Re: Mechanical Verses Quartz . - Len - 08-02-2015

Godt indlæg Willy.

Du har en god evne til at få din urviden formidlet på en interessant måde.

Re: Mechanical Verses Quartz . - TioMalo - 08-02-2015

Som sådant har Willy ret, MEN quartz appellerer bare ikke for ca. 95% af ur entusiaster. Og det har ikke noget med logikken at gøre.
Og ja, jeg ejer selv quartzure men for de bliver spændende for alvor, skal de have en vægtig (helst ikke horologiske) fortælling med sig.
Pingo; militær pjat, frømandskorps og kronprinsen.
Oysterquartz; den ubøjelige mekanisk ur producentens eneste undtagelse og så ikke lige efter standar blueprint for quartzværke.
Sorry, men sådan er menneskesindet vedrørende klokværker... Icon_e_wink

Re: Mechanical Verses Quartz . - willy - 08-02-2015

Tio Malo Skrev:Som sådant har Willy ret, MEN quartz appellerer bare ikke for ca. 95% af ur entusiaster. Og det har ikke noget med logikken at gøre.
Og ja, jeg ejer selv quartzure men for de bliver spændende for alvor, skal de have en vægtig (helst ikke horologiske) fortælling med sig.
Pingo; militær pjat, frømandskorps og kronprinsen.
Oysterquartz; den ubøjelige mekanisk ur producentens eneste undtagelse og så ikke lige efter standar blueprint for quartzværke.
Sorry, men sådan er menneskesindet vedrørende klokværker...

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You are of course right John , about the appeal quartz has for watch nerds . But the first time a rare quartz watch achieves a high price at one of the big auctions , they will change their tune . And it will happen , in the near future . It is always the auction price that dictates the prices of used watches , just like art . Icon_e_wink

Re: Mechanical Verses Quartz . - Stenstrup - 08-02-2015

Min gamle Rolexurmager hos Ragnar sagde for 13 år siden. Hvorfor købe et Rolex Oyster Quartz. Så kan du ligeså godt købe et moderne Seiko quartzur. Præcision er den samme. Rolex udvikler de mekanikse værker, quartz uret fra Rolex er gammelt teknik.

Hmm. Gammelt superkvalititetsteknik kalder jeg det.

Jeg gav 16.000 for mit Rolex Oyster Quartz model 17013 med nyere service og 9 år efter var det letter ridset og en lille bule i kassen. En kvinde bød 18.000 kr for det. I dag ville det samme ur koste nyserviceret 20.000 kr sagde de hos Mads Laier.

Mht. Omega Marinemaster skulle den være svær at få reservedele til, så sådan en model ville jeg ikke anbefale at købe med mindre det er meget velholdt og prisen er noget billigere end normalt. Så man må finde en, der vil sælge billigt og de er nok lidt svært vil jeg tro.

Re: Mechanical Verses Quartz . - willy - 08-02-2015

Stenstrup Skrev:Min gamle Rolexurmager hos Ragnar sagde for 13 år siden. Hvorfor købe et Rolex Oyster Quartz. Så kan du ligeså godt købe et moderne Seiko quartzur. Præcision er den samme. Rolex udvikler de mekanikse værker, quartz uret fra Rolex er gammelt teknik.

Hmm. Gammelt superkvalititetsteknik kalder jeg det.

Jeg gav 16.000 for mit Rolex Oyster Quartz model 17013 med nyere service og 9 år efter var det letter ridset og en lille bule i kassen. En kvinde bød 18.000 kr for det. I dag ville det samme ur koste nyserviceret 20.000 kr sagde de hos Mads Laier.

Mht. Omega Marinemaster skulle den være svær at få reservedele til, så sådan en model ville jeg ikke anbefale at købe med mindre det er meget velholdt og prisen er noget billigere end normalt. Så man må finde en, der vil sælge billigt og de er nok lidt svært vil jeg tro.

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If your watchmaker said that , it just shows how little he knows about watches . You do not buy a watch like the oyster quartz because of new technology . You buy it because it was at that time , the worlds first watch with a quartz caliber , that was built to last for ever . And it will always have a place in watch making industry . And you could tell him at the same time , that it is still the most beautifull quartz movement ever made . And would you call the Patek Graves watch , super old quality ? <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /> <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /> <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" />

Re: Mechanical Verses Quartz . - Stenstrup - 08-02-2015

Jeg købte mit fordi det for det var stort set servicefrit og flot med sort skive. Senere købte jeg en hvid og blå skive til det.

Det burde være muligt at få reservedele til værket i 10 til 20 år endnu.

Jeg fik en ny elblok i uret da jeg havde haft det i 2 år.

I dag synes jeg stadig at datejust er blandt de smukkeste ure, der finder og af sportsmodeller GMT pepsi. Datejust er flotte grundet de forskellige skiver man kan få. Men 36 mm er nu for småt, da jeg er vant til 40 - 44 mm ure. Men de har jo nogle datejust ll på 41 mm, og de appelere godt til mig hvss jeg ville have et andet datejust.

Re: Mechanical Verses Quartz . - willy - 09-02-2015

Stenstrup Skrev:Jeg købte mit fordi det for det var stort set servicefrit og flot med sort skive. Senere købte jeg en hvid og blå skive til det.

Det burde være muligt at få reservedele til værket i 10 til 20 år endnu.

Jeg fik en ny elblok i uret da jeg havde haft det i 2 år.

I dag synes jeg stadig at datejust er blandt de smukkeste ure, der finder og af sportsmodeller GMT pepsi. Datejust er flotte grundet de forskellige skiver man kan få. Men 36 mm er nu for småt, da jeg er vant til 40 - 44 mm ure. Men de har jo nogle datejust ll på 41 mm, og de appelere godt til mig hvss jeg ville have et andet datejust.

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The design of the case and bracelet is unique for a Rolex watch . James Dowling told me , that it is the strongest bracelet ever made by Rolex . I will never understand why Rolex dropped this design . 36 mm is not small for a watch with this design . I have never met anyone yet who does not like this watch . And that is rare . <a class="postlink-local" href="http://www.urforum.dk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10234&p=89596&hilit=rolex+quartz#p89596">viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10234&p=89596&hilit=rolex+quartz#p89596</a>