willy Skrev:John it as been many years since Panerai were in the diving business.I know all about their history i learnt that when i was 10 years of age.They are a retro brand and if it was not for a lousy actor called slvester stallone they would be unknown today.They do not develop new ideas they live on their history and traditional design.So do not try to tell me they make serious modern dive watches.A rolex sub is hyper modern compaired to Panerai.And as you know Rolex gave them their first calibers etc etc.And your idea that Brietling made a lot of changes to the ETA caliber is just not true.Compaired to what IWC do to a ETA caliber Brietling are not even in the same class.You forget what i have said about the New brietling caliber that is a great piece of work.Come on John take the blinkers off and tell it as it really is.This is not about defending your favorite brand its about a few facts thats all.I mean i like IWC so i can still criticize many models and i do.Like i said Brietling can divide people but i did not say that everything they do is crap did i ? It is very funny sometimes on these bloggs how people seem to believe that everthing their favorite brand makes is fantastic Willy

OleJ Skrev:

willy Skrev:John it as been many years since Panerai were in the diving business.I know all about their history i learnt that when i was 10 years of age.They are a retro brand and if it was not for a lousy actor called slvester stallone they would be unknown today.They do not develop new ideas they live on their history and traditional design.So do not try to tell me they make serious modern dive watches.A rolex sub is hyper modern compaired to Panerai.And as you know Rolex gave them their first calibers etc etc.And your idea that Brietling made a lot of changes to the ETA caliber is just not true.Compaired to what IWC do to a ETA caliber Brietling are not even in the same class.You forget what i have said about the New brietling caliber that is a great piece of work.Come on John take the blinkers off and tell it as it really is.This is not about defending your favorite brand its about a few facts thats all.I mean i like IWC so i can still criticize many models and i do.Like i said Brietling can divide people but i did not say that everything they do is crap did i ? It is very funny sometimes on these bloggs how people seem to believe that everthing their favorite brand makes is fantastic Willy

Arhh .. den skal du sku' længere ud på landet med Rodney. Rolex hyper moderne i modsætning til Panerai??) <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> ... Rolex er ikke ligefrem kendt for at lave revolution i urverdenen! Vil nu sige at Rolex i mindst lige så høj grad som Panerai lever af deres historie og design - der er sku' ikke sket meget for Submarineren eller Datejusten etc de sidste 50 år!! Tror du sove lidt i time Rodney. Panerai har rykket mere på værksiden de sidste 5 år end Rolex de sidste 20! Panerai er også gået nye veje mht materialevalg til kasserne i for af både keramik og composite (de sidste dog med lidt dårligt resultat <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarrassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> )
Det sagt, så er jeg stor fan af begge mærker ... samt Bretiling, IWC, AP, Jaeger LeCoultre osv osv ... Synes faktisk at de fleste mærker laver nogle fede ure .. dog med plads til en enkelt skævert eller to inden for hver mærke
Tror det er dig som skal ha' justeret dine skyklapper lidt Rodney .... ment i bedste mening

le J

Joepete Skrev:Jeg er med dig her, Ole

Rodney, jeg har ikke fremstillet "facts", men snarere mine personlige erfaringer med forskellige Breitling klokker. Det håber jeg er ok for dig? Min erfaring er, som nævnt tidligere, at urene går endog meget præcist, at de er holdbare og robuste. I tilgift til det, så er deres ETA baserede klokker til at få serviceret for menneskepenge, så alt i alt er et nylignende Breitling ofte et godt køb, efter min mening <!-- s:up: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_Up.gif" alt=":up:" title="Thumps up" /><!-- s:up: --> Deres nye inhouse værker er spændende, og tiden må vise, om de står "the test of time".

Du kan have præferencer for IWC´s måde at gøre tingene på, eller hævde at Rolex gør noget bedre end Panerai, men når alt kommer til alt, så er de "facts", som du opstiller, lige så subjektive i deres grundsubstans som så meget andet, da du vælger hvad du vil fremhæve fra den ene og den anden producent. Vi er trods alt ikke på videnskabeligt niveau her på forum, (hvad vel heller ikke er meningen?),hvorfor jeg synes, at vi skal glemme den ene og den andens "ret" til at hævde, at de har de "sande facts" - især når det opstilles som en modsætning til andres holdninger, erfaringer osv. Det er vidt forskellige udgangspunkter, snakke og diskussioner, som vi kan få af de forskellige vinkler

Har du nogle personlige erfaringer med Breitling, Rodney? Også gerne en enkelt positiv ...

willy Skrev:Ole what i mean is that Panerai is a design that goes back to the second world war as you know.It is a much older design than Rolex without even a diving bezel.It is a retro watch.Rolex have been used by proffesionals like i used to be for many years.I was issued with one in the military.Rolex have also stood still for many years like Panerai and have not developed much just improved.A bit like the Porsche 911.So forget about me having blinkers on i have not.I like Rolex and some Panerai watches but i have honest opinions about them.I do not try to defend them at any price.And lets face it Time has left Panerai behind as a serious diving watch.I sure as hell would not wear one if i was in the armed forces today. Willy

OleJ Skrev:

willy Skrev:Ole what i mean is that Panerai is a design that goes back to the second world war as you know.It is a much older design than Rolex without even a diving bezel.It is a retro watch.Rolex have been used by proffesionals like i used to be for many years.I was issued with one in the military.Rolex have also stood still for many years like Panerai and have not developed much just improved.A bit like the Porsche 911.So forget about me having blinkers on i have not.I like Rolex and some Panerai watches but i have honest opinions about them.I do not try to defend them at any price.And lets face it Time has left Panerai behind as a serious diving watch.I sure as hell would not wear one if i was in the armed forces today. Willy

Well the Submariner is designed in '53 so that is just about second WW anyway. Panerai's watches was actually ONLY made for professionals, and it looks like they served their purpose quite well.
In the 50's Panerai made diving watches with diving bezels fyi. Today a diving bezel actually makes no sense in a professional sense , as you are only alloved diving with a diving computer anyway. But you're right - if I was in the armed forces I would not wear a Panerai as a diving watch - nor would I wear a Rolex .. believe the smart choise would be some kind of G-Shock

Have a nice day

le J

Joepete Skrev:Det ville da være super fint, om du delte en personlig erfaring med mig, Rodney Hvilken Breitling klokke har du kunnet lide at eje og bruge?

Og hav så i øvrigt en fantastisk god dag og uge <!-- s:up: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_Up.gif" alt=":up:" title="Thumps up" /><!-- s:up: -->