09-08-2021, 09:58 AM
Interessant læsning, hvis man dyrker in-house!
https://perezcope.com/2021/08/08/panerai...vR4UlD4ZzA
https://perezcope.com/2021/08/08/panerai...vR4UlD4ZzA
In-house?
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09-08-2021, 09:58 AM
Interessant læsning, hvis man dyrker in-house!
https://perezcope.com/2021/08/08/panerai...vR4UlD4ZzA
09-08-2021, 12:23 PM
Very interesting read.Watch brands telling lies about their calibers
is nothing new.Patek for example have been telling lies about so called hand finished calibers for years. But many who buy these products walk around with blinkers on. It is a part of the industry,and i cannot see it changing when so many people believe the bullshit. - Jeg er engelsk - bor i Danmark, forstår dansk - men foretrækker at skrive på engelsk
09-08-2021, 04:49 PM
En god artikel som uddyber meget godt hvorfor man i dag skal være påpasselig med at lægge samme værdi i in-house begrebet generelt i dag uanset hvem der benytter det.
Når man får fortalt løgne historier igen og igen skal man tage sine forholdsregler. For reelt er der jo her tale om lidt old news her hvis man har ville se det, og til fulde forstår hvad ægte in-house er/kræver, har dette stået på gennem flere år i branchen. Men mennesker vil underholdes og in-house begrebet gør det, og om ikke andet er der jo ihvertfald tale om et Richmond in-house værk. Men tak for linket. Sendt fra min ANE-LX1 med Tapatalk Yoshikazu Akahane. 28/+50.
24-09-2021, 05:12 PM
opdateret med part 2
https://perezcope.com/2021/08/22/revisti...-of-worms/ det er jo ikke nyt at der lånes hist og her men jeg troede naivt at IWC 32110 rent faktisk var "true" in-house. At der er et kedeligt Selitta i deres "tribute to MK XI" vidste jeg godt. 2892-A2 med DD modul er dog noget helt andet i mine øjne, for det er bare en skidt løsning og jeg troede faktisk at man var gået væk fra det for længe siden. Har man virkelig den løsning i Tudor Heritage chronograf? Jeg talte med en urmager på nettet sidste år som advarede mig mod en sådan løsning på et brugt ur, han sagde at modulet var meget besværligt at fixe og at man på fabrikkerne ofte blot smed det ud og satte et nyt på. .. og i min naivitet havde jeg egentligt også troet (uden research) at Panerai havde lært af tidliger fejltagelser og rent faktisk var på rette vej med deres manufacture. Men nej ..... de vil ikke tage ved lære, eller det er nok ikke regntabelt for dem. Læser man ned i materialet har de jo ellers en spændende historie selvom det ikke er ure de selv har lavet. Fejlen er dog ikke til at rette op idet den moderne historie er gentaget så mange gange at man ikke kan vende skuden. Jeg syntes stadig at Panerai designet er flot, men der er alt for mange fluer i suppen til at jeg orker at sætte mig ind i om de på noget tidspunkt egentlig har gjort sig umage med de modeller der har min interesse. .. og for at det ikke skal være løgn var jeg lige ved at gå ind hos Klarlund idag for at kigge på Panerai :)
24-09-2021, 05:52 PM
Modules are just a cheap way of making watches,and they are accidents
waiting to happen.IWC and Panerai and many others have been putting bog standard calibers in their cheaper models for years.Many brands are doing this today. Just like the finish on a entry model Patek is not as good as on their top models.But try telling this to watch people,and they will deny it to the bitter end.About the only factory brand that does not do this is Lange. Even their absolute entry models are finished to the same high standard as their top models. - Jeg er engelsk - bor i Danmark, forstår dansk - men foretrækker at skrive på engelsk
24-09-2021, 06:45 PM
Willy, jeg håber at du skriver at Lange er de eneste som et udtryk for at der er få ur mærker som har inhouse urværker i deres ure..
Jeg er af den opfattelse at Nomos inhouse urværker er deres egen, men ved du at de på samme måde køber deres urværker udefra..? Sendt fra min ONEPLUS A6003 med Tapatalk
24-09-2021, 08:44 PM
Jeg hører nok til den gruppe af mennesker, som ikke tror der findes rene In-House værker. Flot tanke, men jeg køber den ikke - ej heller hos Lange, Nomos mm.
25-09-2021, 08:28 AM
(24-09-2021, 06:45 PM)aammat Skrev: Willy, jeg håber at du skriver at Lange er de eneste som et udtryk for at der er få ur mærker som har inhouse urværker i deres ure..I doubt very much there is a true inhouse watch made anywhere today,except by maybe Seiko or Rolex.All other brands have to buy some components from other manufactures. Nomos do not make every component in their calibers.But they do develop and build their own calibers,and this is really the core of the matter. Other brands tell us they are developing and building their own calibers,but in reality they are getting them from a third party manufacturer. A caliber is not automaticallly a better caliber because it is inhouse. ETA and Sellita and other mass caliber producers,make some great products. It has always been a tradition in the Swiss watch industry to use out of house calibers and components,and to rebuild or finish them to other standards.JLC supplied most of the calibers to Patek-VC-AP for many years,and in doing so,helped to build the reputation of these brands . These calibers from JLC were then modified and finished to a much higher standard. Most of the early great complication watches from Patek for example,were made out of house by great independent watchmakers who built them and finished them by hand.And that is why they are worth so much money today. Even IWC used to get their ETA calibers in Kit form. They would then rebuild them to a very high standard just like Patek did with JLC calibers.Not at the level of finishing in a Patek,but at a level where they could call these ETA calibers inhouse just like PP did with JLC calibers. The problem is,more a question of what brands like IWC-Panerai-Breitling etc etc actually do to these standard cheap calibers today,before they stick them into a watch that costs maybe 40-50.000kr. Buying a wristwatch today is very difficult for a person new to watches,who wants to spend their hard earned money on a watch that has some lasting value. You might be able to fool the public by making watches with bog standard calibers inside,and selling them for a ridiculous price. But you cannot fool the collectors,or the people who sell watches for a living.And the used prices of these type of watches will always reflect the quality or lack of it,inside the watch. So my advice would always be to look at the inside quality of any watch,before you buy it - Jeg er engelsk - bor i Danmark, forstår dansk - men foretrækker at skrive på engelsk
03-01-2022, 01:02 AM
Interessant tråd, og gode betragtninger. Tak for det
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