Orator - Et Navitimer look a like eller ?

[jw@arp-hansen.dk]

Har brug for hjælp. Har netop købt et ud hos Lauritz.com, som jeg ikke helt kan gennemskue. Der ligner et Breitling Navitimer old I, og beskrivelsen fra Lauritz er : "I 1979 Lukker Breitling og bliver overtaget af firmaet Sicura. Breitling Navitimer bliver da en kort overgang solgt under navnet ORATOR. " På nettet har jeg fundet uret med følgende tekst "Orator - Robert pointed out a very obscure slide rule watch from Orator. He writes: "a rare bird, Swiss made / build in 1993 and sold by Artes, only 500 pieces, general look and case very similar to the contemporary Breitling Old Navitimer I with Ref. 81610, also same movement Valjoux 7750. With a new price tag in 1993 of DM 2.800.-- (¤1.400.--) it did not really was a "poor mans Breitling Navitimer". Have a look for the special A in Orator, looks like the sign on military flight chronographs." The first picture is a scan is from the original sales brochure. "

Er der nogen der kan hjælpe med oplysninger / kender uret Det er et cal 7750 der sidder i. Der er et billede af det på [url]"http://sliderulewatches.googlepages.com/history3.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://sliderulewatches.googlepages.com/history3.html[/url]" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (lidt nede af siden)
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Jens

[hannover_dk]

Mener bestemt Ollech og Wajs overtog Breitling en længere periode, men om det er samme virksomhed som Sicura ved jeg ikke men tror det ikke. Jeg har læst det med O&W mange steder og også haft det bekræftet af Bo Mølbak mener jeg.

Af de viste maskiner i dit link, er i alle fald Selction (blandt de øverste) med sikkerhed O&W - og jeg mener med bestemthed at O&W havde rettighederne til designet, til bl.a. Navitimer typerne.
Orator tror jeg ikke har noget med O&W at gøre, men de kan sagtens have solgt ud af rettigheder - og der udgivet den du viser med valjoux 7750

Her ser du en selection med O&W på skiven



Set i forhold til den oprindelige navytimer med venus 178 vil den naturligvis være en slags fattigmands navitimer

vh

[Lambert]

Jeg mener at O&W kun, overtog navnet Navitimer.

Mon ikke oraklet Hr Brøndum, kan komme på banen. Om nogle ved noget om det, så er det ham.
Prøv evt at skrive Navitimer i søgefeltet. Her fik jeg selv en del info, før jeg købte min Navitimer 806

Larsen

[hannover_dk]

Lambert Skrev:Jeg mener at O&W kun, overtog navnet Navitimer.

Mon ikke oraklet Hr Brøndum, kan komme på banen. Om nogle ved noget om det, så er det ham.
Prøv evt at skrive Navitimer i søgefeltet. Her fik jeg selv en del info, før jeg købte min Navitimer 806

Larsen

Enig, han ved det givet. Jeg mener dog ikke bare de overtog navnet navitimer men også designet fra de forskellige Breitling navitimere - men Yes Kurt Brøndum ved det da givet
Jeg søgte lidt, og her er fra Watchuseek
The story has been told numerous times before, so I'll only give a short version here.
In 1979 the original Breitling company that was founded in 1892, and had been in family hands all its life, was liquidated. Several parties acquired parts of the Breitling heritage. Name, designs and parts all went to new owners.

The Ollech & Wajs company was founded more then twenty years earlier, somewhere in the 50's, by the two gentlemen that gave the company it's name. They specialised in good quality, affordable tool watches, and achieved quit a good reputation among soldiers, that preferred them to the government issued watches. In 1979 O&W had the foresight to buy much of the parts that were stocked by Breitling to build and/or service their watches from the Navitimer line.

Up to this day they still have on offer new, unused watches build from original Breitling parts, and parts that came from the original Breitling suppliers. They are sold under the Aviation name.
Og hele artiklen med billeder: Det var bare en smagsgiver, her er hele artiklen
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=4822

og et klip fra wildipedia
In the 1960s O&W sold a variety of professional automatic and manual-wind mechanical military and dive watches for an average of US $12. The Ollech & Wajs M 65 military watch was often sold at PX's on US military bases. These watches became very popular with US soldiers who bought them privately as a replacement for their government issued disposable watches.[1] Sales reached an all time high during the Vietnam War era when they were selling thousands of watches via direct mail order. Towards the late 1970s, Mr. Wajs bought up much of the Breitling company's stock for the aviation models such as the Navitimer. They began producing their own label watches using Breitling cases and the same calibre movements used in Breitling watches. These watches were branded “Aviation” and are now prized amongst collectors.

Og her står at det både var dele, navn og maskiner O&W overtog fra Breitlink som gik ned:

The Aviation series by Ollech & Wajs are made up of New Old Stock parts of one of the biggest and best watchmaker of yesteryear. The Aviation 6081 uses the legendary Buren Calibre 12. The parts are made using NOS Breitling parts. That is why it has a close resemblance to the old school Breitling. Back in the 1980s when Breitling was liquidated, Ollech & Wajs bought most of the parts, machines and designs. The parts between the Breitling and Aviation series are interchangeable.
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[Lambert]

Ja. Du har ret.
Tak for linket.

Larsen

[jw@arp-hansen.dk]

Hej Alle

Tusind tak for jeres super svar. Jeg blev lidt klogere på uret: Jeg er dog ikke helt sikker på Sammenhængen, men det kan være det kommer en dag. Uret er rigtig fint, og lidt sjovt, så jeg beholder det i samlingen, og så må jeg jo bare finde et navitimer, med et rigtig Breitling logo på...

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Jens